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Confused with 9-317731-022838 MIB/MIBII
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Warning: new user - ignorant comments may be found in the following....

Part A:
I need some direction with an existing UPC title within the database, the UPC code is 9-317731-022838
This entry doesn't look right to me, it has no disc id's included and all the information is written like it's a single DVD release. This set is a Men in Black collection with both movies on 2 separate disks. I am under the impression these sorts of things are considered a box set and thus should have child profiles, one for each movie?

Also, because it's a single listing the cast listing is singular with a divider between cast for each movie. Only thing is people like Tommy lee Jones and Will Smith are missing from the cast section for MIB2, or is this how it's supposed to be done because it's all in one list?

Some help on this would be appreciated, I would like to understand better how these contributions are supposed to be.

Part B:
Ok, once the above is figured out I have another problem. The particular copy of this set I bought actually came inside what is (I believe) called a Slip Case ie: a case with different artwork that the original DVD set slides into. Now my problem is, this set with the Slip Case is sold under a different UPC - which is 9317731079863. This UPC isn't in the database.

So, just to make it clear. I have this movie box set in a slip cover with the above UPC and inside is a normal keep case that has the original UPC on the back - so I got a release that has 2 UPC's :-)

Ok so what do I do here? Do I throw the slip case away and pretend it never existed and concentrate on trying to get a better version of the original UPC keep case?
Or do I forget the UPC on the keep case and just pretend this is a new release under the UPC of the slip case?
Or do I try and be difficult and find a way to have both UPC's?

And once I do all that do I try to get a better listing for the existing older keep case upc entry?

Any help appreciated.
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Just create a new parent profile using the UPC in your slipcover and then use discIDs to create child profiles for each movie.
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Regarding Part A:

You are correct, the existing profile is in need of some editing.
From what I read in your post you spotted the needed corrections quite well, so go for it.

Regarding Part B:
If the package with the SlipCover (NOT SlipCase, from your description) isn't in the database (yet) it needs to be contributed. In cases like that we ignore the UPC of the inner package. You may contribute the data for this UPC too, but it is optional.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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You seem to have a good handle on the problem.

Part A: Looking at it the profile 9-317731-022838 is indeed a box set.  If should have no Cast, Crew, Audio or anything else found in the Box Set portion of the Rules.  Those should be in child profiles as you surmise.

You can create the children by putting the disc in your computer DVD drive and select (DVD | Add to Collection) from the menu then Add by Inserted Disc.  I would then transfer the appropriate data from the parent to the children (DVD|Copy & DVD|Paste) and then remove it from the parent.

I would also verify the information against the film credits. (Personally i would purge all the Uncredited, some of which are not tagged correctly or at all.).  Then submit the updates.

Part B: So you have a Slip case with UPC X wrapped the existing UPC Y.  What you can do is create a profile for the slip case.  The slip case has a valid UPC so it is correct to submit.  You already have a Parent and Child relationship, after you do Part A.  Your slip case becomes the grandparent.

You create a profile for your Slip Case then link the existing Parent to it as a child.
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Parent (slip case) --> Parent (existing) --> Children (from Part A)


After you clean up the box set profile in Part A you can copy what is left into your existing Parent profile into the new Slip Case Parent.  They are both Box Set parent profiles in one sense.  If someone else then buys a slip case version they will find all the profiles as you have fixed them.  If they buy the non-slip they will get the children but never be aware of the grandparent.
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Thanks, some good information here and I will get around to fixing/adding this contrib soon - presently I got quite a few to add from my existing collection, doing the easy ones first.

@tweeter

When you say a grandparent entry do you mean that I should have the 2 disc id's entries which are then added to the original UPC boxset, and then once that is done I create a new boxset and add the old boxset to that as a child?


Also, a slip case that holds one item is actually classified as a slip cover? Regardless of the material it's made from?
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When you say a grandparent entry do you mean that I should have the 2 disc id's entries which are then added to the original UPC boxset, and then once that is done I create a new boxset and add the old boxset to that as a child?

Yes, that is what i meant.
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So you have a Slip case with UPC X wrapped the existing UPC Y.  What you can do is create a profile for the slip case.

No, what he has is Keep Case with a Slip Cover. Not a Slip Case.
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No, what he has is Keep Case with a Slip Cover. Not a Slip Case.

He said Slip case, i used the same term.  What is relevant is he has two different things with two different UPCs.
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Heh, don't worry it confuses me also.

According to the pics posted somewhere in these forums it looks like a Slip Case, but by definition a slip case apparently holds 2 or more things that slide into it, and I only have 1 keep case that slides into it. It really doesn't look like a slip cover and it's also made from the tin style stuff that steelbooks are made from.

Besides, since it's going to be a grandparent that would pose another problem as in the profile you can't select a slip cover, it's a check box next to the type of case, so I really would have to select Slip Case - even though it only contains one keep case.

I'm actually considering just dumping it and trying to get the keep case entry fixed up.
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Besides, since it's going to be a grandparent that would pose another problem

What you mean by grandparent? This is very simply basic boxset. One parent, case type keep case with slip cover checked and two children.
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as in the profile you can't select a slip cover

Why not? Which profile?
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it's a check box next to the type of case,

Yes, and?
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so I really would have to select Slip Case - even though it only contains one keep case.

Why?
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I'm actually considering just dumping it and trying to get the keep case entry fixed up

Again why? This is very simple case.
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Again why? This is very simple case.


Maybe to you, not to me.
It's a keep case boxset with it's own unique UPC inside another case also with it's own UPC. Artwork etc is different on both cases.

If this is a very simple case, then please advise me how I apply 2 unique UPC's to the one profile entry.
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It's a keep case boxset with it's own unique UPC inside another case also with it's own UPC. Artwork etc is different on both cases.

If this is a very simple case, then please advise me how I apply 2 unique UPC's to the one profile entry.

Just use the UPC from slip cover. This is also the cover you should scan. Don't get confused by the inner artwork, just forget about it.
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