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| Registered: March 24, 2012 |  Posts: 42 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have recently received several negative votes from other forum members where I have ticked the box for "Closed Captioned" in my contributions.
I thought CC (at least in the Invelos database concept) is when the movie is subtitled with not only the spoken words, but also with other information, mainly sounds which deaf people cannot hear, like "sight", "phone rings", "Narrator:" and so on.
If not, what is it?
And another question: Is is possible to reply to contribution votes, in order to have a discussion about the subject, like when i get a negative vote but still think it is correct, like if it really is CC, and someone votes negative? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Closed Caption is a specific type of captioning that is, as I understand it, only used in North America. What you are describing is descriptive subtitles for the hearing impaired, and we don't have a specific section for those. I believe they are listed as normal subtitles. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Closed Captioning is encoding in the NTSC stream in American TV. It requires special hardware/software decoders to view it.
In most BD disc's (at least here) instead of closed captioning, they use a special subtitle (SDH - Subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing). These subtitles are no different than the standard subtitles for a given disc, they just have additional information in the subtitle stream.
With DVDProfiler, we do not consider SDH anc Closed Captioning the same. (Though many requests have been made to alter the subtitle section for it)
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| Registered: March 24, 2012 | | Posts: 42 |
| | Posted: | | | | Okay, that explains it. I thought CC and SDH was the same. Thanks a lot, folks!  |
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| Registered: June 15, 2012 |  Posts: 428 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's an interesting and confusing topic for me. Most dvd's in Australia have "Closed Captions" and it's specified on the DVD case. Closed captions are described as:
Captions are coloured and positioned to show who is speaking, and provide information on music and sound effects which may be important for the understanding the TV show / film. They cannot be turned off and require a Teletext decoder to be seen.
However on a couple of the very first contributions I did I tried to select closed captions but it was then removed by Invelos or the screener's or whoever checks these things. So I stopped trying to submit them. I don't really understand the policy on closed captions in the database. |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,724 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Parsec: Quote:
It's an interesting and confusing topic for me. Most dvd's in Australia have "Closed Captions" and it's specified on the DVD case. Closed captions are described as:
Captions are coloured and positioned to show who is speaking, and provide information on music and sound effects which may be important for the understanding the TV show / film. They cannot be turned off and require a Teletext decoder to be seen.
However on a couple of the very first contributions I did I tried to select closed captions but it was then removed by Invelos or the screener's or whoever checks these things. So I stopped trying to submit them. I don't really understand the policy on closed captions in the database. Invelos firmly believes that "Closed Captions" only appear on region 1-discs, and so whenever you've checked that box for a profile in any other locality, the contribution system won't accept it - it's automatically filtered out. If what you're saying is true, Invelos should lift the ban on "Closed Captions" outside region 1 - or at least allow it for Region 4 too... | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: June 15, 2012 | | Posts: 428 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Invelos firmly believes that "Closed Captions" only appear on region 1-discs, and so whenever you've checked that box for a profile in any other locality, the contribution system won't accept it - it's automatically filtered out. If what you're saying is true, Invelos should lift the ban on "Closed Captions" outside region 1 - or at least allow it for Region 4 too... So how do we do that? It's actually part of the Disability Discrimination Act that content providers in Australia have a certain amount of their distributed content with closed captioning for the deaf. How does one tell Invelos we have closed captions in region 4? |
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 | johnd | | Evening, poetry lovers. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 298 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Parsec: Quote:
It's an interesting and confusing topic for me. Most dvd's in Australia have "Closed Captions" and it's specified on the DVD case. Closed captions are described as:
Sorry, but that's wrong. Virtually no DVDs in Australia have Closed Captions. The only ones you will see are the very, very occasional NTSC releases here (which are really region 1 discs that have had their region changed, or have no region), and even then they generally don't carry the Closed Caption version of the film. If they do, they would require a decoding box that would need to be purchased from the US as TVs in Australia do not have the circuits to decode the Closed Caption signal. Blu-Ray discs don't have Closed Captioning in any region, as they do not have the NTSC format so, by definition, can't carry Closed Captioning. They rely on the normal disc subtitle abilities. The coloured captioning you are describing is Teletext captioning which is seen on broadcast TV in Australia. I have never seen this on a DVD. Don't worry. You're not alone in being confused by this. More info here. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting johnd: Quote:
Blu-Ray discs don't have Closed Captioning in any region, as they do not have the NTSC format so, by definition, can't carry Closed Captioning. They rely on the normal disc subtitle abilities. Actually that is not true. Some early 20th Century Fox Blu-rays did indeed have Closed Captions. They just cannot be viewed over an HDMI connection. This thread documented it and got Ken to allow CC on Blu-ray profiles: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=330460 | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: June 15, 2012 | | Posts: 428 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting johnd: Quote:
Sorry, but that's wrong. Virtually no DVDs in Australia have Closed Captions. The only ones you will see are the very, very occasional NTSC releases here (which are really region 1 discs that have had their region changed, or have no region), and even then they generally don't carry the Closed Caption version of the film. If they do, they would require a decoding box that would need to be purchased from the US as TVs in Australia do not have the circuits to decode the Closed Caption signal.
Don't worry. You're not alone in being confused by this. More info here. But I don't see anything on the wikipedia page thats refutes the practice. If what you say is true then how do you explain the things like this? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 922 |
| | Posted: | | | | Audio description is an additional audio track not a subtitle. | | | 
Deutsches DVD Profiler Forum: www.dvdprofiler-forum.de |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Parsec: Quote:
But I don't see anything on the wikipedia page thats refutes the practice.
If what you say is true then how do you explain the things like this? Audio Described is, as the name implies, an audio track, not a captioned track. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: June 15, 2012 | | Posts: 428 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ok my bad... wrong link But mediaaccess do give information on captioning and information on the logos used to describe such dvd's and various other information. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Parsec: Quote:
Ok my bad... wrong link No worries, happens to us all. Quote:
But mediaaccess do give information on captioning and information on the logos used to describe such dvd's and various other information. I, and I am sure Ken, was under the impression that CC was a North American only concept. Having read your links, as well as the wikipedia article, it seems I was mistaken...though I am curious as to why johnd seems to think differently.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: June 15, 2012 | | Posts: 428 |
| | Posted: | | | | Personally, it doesn't worry me either way as i have no use for closed captions nor the hardware required to display them.
I just thought it was odd that Invelos only allows them for Region 1, especially since the UK also seems to have some form of closed captions as well. I guess it's because there's no real standard for the things. |
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| Registered: July 16, 2010 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 523 |
| | Posted: | | | | By a strange coincidence, I'm just profiling the UK release of Love Liza (5035822-422339) and this definitely has Closed Captions; both Power DVD and Windows Media Player will display them. They look entirely different to the subtitles (and will in fact display both at the same time).
It’s an unusual disc, as it’s also NTSC (not PAL) and coded to Regions 1,2 and 4 as well; not a common combination of things.
Paul | | | | Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it? Guttermouth "Lemon Water". Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (digital, cassette and CD), video games (digital, DVD and CD) and 'enhanced' CDs with video tracks on them, as well as films and TV I've bought digitally. So I'm an anarchist, deal with it. Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted... |
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