Catching up on stuff, wanted to get some clarification on crew roles that aren't entirely well defined.

Is "Video Editor" the same as Film Editor?

Do "Sound Engineer" or "Sound Director" fall under any of the Sound categories?

Music / "Theme By" credit:  Most themes I see in anime get broken up (to varying degrees) into: Music/arrangement by; song by; lyrics by; and performed by.  Which of those is the "Theme By" supposed to apply to?

Do we include any crew credits for the ADR crew (mainly translation/writing/adaptation and direction, possibly producer)?  We include the ADR cast.  If we do include ADR crew, which of the different writing credit types is appropriate for the translation writer?  Also, 'Director' seems too broad a credit to give to the ADR director, but there are no other explicit options (nor options for things like Animation Director).

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Is "Video Editor" the same as Film Editor?

Do "Sound Engineer" or "Sound Director" fall under any of the Sound categories?

There have been requests for "Video Editor" but as it and the Sound credits you mention are not currently listed in the Crew Rules they should not be submitted to the Online DB.

I realize they're not listed; I was hoping more could explain the exact definitions, so I can know if this is a case of actual different jobs, or different names for the same job.  (Actually, looking at the wiki entry on Sound Director, it seems like a role that has fallen out of favor in Hollywood since the demise of the studio system, having its responsibilities broken up into other, smaller positions, but still exists in other localities.  So maybe this is just an issue of the DB roles being too US-centric.)


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Music / "Theme By" credit:  Most themes I see in anime get broken up (to varying degrees) into: Music/arrangement by; song by; lyrics by; and performed by.  Which of those is the "Theme By" supposed to apply to?

"Theme by" applies to none of those you listed.  The screen credit should include the word "Theme" and refer to the theme for the film or TV show being profiled.

To be clear on this one, the credits show something like:

Opening Theme: [name of song]
Written/Arranged by: [person]
Song/Lyrics by: [person]
Performed by: [person]

So the word "Theme" does actually appear, it's just showing who's involved in which parts of it (it doesn't always include all of the above elements; sometimes there's only a single person for the entire thing).

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Do we include any crew credits for the ADR crew (mainly translation/writing/adaptation and direction, possibly producer)?  We include the ADR cast.  If we do include ADR crew, which of the different writing credit types is appropriate for the translation writer?

If you are doing ADR it should only be captured locally (which means you can do it anyway that pleases you!).  ADR is not among the credits captured in the Online DB.

To nitpick: we -do- capture ADR credits, for cast.  There's also a Dubbing Editor allowed under Sound.

It's just the crew bits have always felt a bit ambiguous.  For example, there is often an Executive Producer listing that applies to the ADR group.  Strictly speaking, as a valid listed credit that exactly matches the conditions set up in the rules, there's no reason -not- to enter it as shown.  The only actual requirement is that it be entered in the order listed.

Likewise with "Director", as that is (sometimes) the actual label shown in the credits.  The only actual restriction in the rules is that it not apply to Special Features, which is not the case here.



So, while I appreciate that you answered the questions in the strictest sense, I was hoping for more clarity and elaboration.

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I realize they're not listed; I was hoping more could explain the exact definitions, so I can know if this is a case of actual different jobs, or different names for the same job.  (Actually, looking at the wiki entry on Sound Director, it seems like a role that has fallen out of favor in Hollywood since the demise of the studio system, having its responsibilities broken up into other, smaller positions, but still exists in other localities.  So maybe this is just an issue of the DB roles being too US-centric.)

Regardless of what any online wikis say the Sound Engineer/Video Editor roles are not listed amongst the allowed credits that can be submitted for this online database, so they should not be submitted.

As you don't seem to be able to actually answer the question, I'll just drop it.

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To be clear on this one, the credits show something like:

Opening Theme: [name of song]
Written/Arranged by: [person_A]
Song/Lyrics by: [person_B]
Performed by: [person]

So the word "Theme" does actually appear, it's just showing who's involved in which parts of it (it doesn't always include all of the above elements; sometimes there's only a single person for the entire thing).

In that context person_A and person_B would get a Theme credit, though not the performer.

Thank you, that helps some.  The rules have abosolutely no clarity in this area.  Though I also wonder how that fits in with the Song Writer credit ("Original Songs, written specifically for the film"), given that that's essentially what person_A (in this example) is doing.  Is "Theme" just a specialized Song Writer/Composer credit?

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It's just the crew bits have always felt a bit ambiguous.  For example, there is often an Executive Producer listing that applies to the ADR group.  Strictly speaking, as a valid listed credit that exactly matches the conditions set up in the rules, there's no reason -not- to enter it as shown.  The only actual requirement is that it be entered in the order listed.

Likewise with "Director", as that is (sometimes) the actual label shown in the credits.  The only actual restriction in the rules is that it not apply to Special Features, which is not the case here.

Executive Producers are listed in the Crew Rules in the Section Producers which easily eliminates Producers associated only with Effects, Sound whatever.  The only Producers listed are those that are clearly the Film Producers.  Director is also a Section of its own and clearly only applies to the Film Director.

Well, actually, no.  The claims you make are mostly wishful thinking, at least with respect to the rules.  There is literally nothing that defines the 'type' of Director (assuming the label is otherwise unmodified, rather than something like Art Director or Sound Director) or Executive Producer or whatever.  It only says to only enter credits with those specific labels, and not to enter those with a label as listed in the red column, plus whatever's in the notes.

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For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Role" and "Credited As" columns. If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section.

As with the other questions I asked, as well as for a few other roles, the significant lack of any definitional clarity on what these roles are supposed to represent leads to a fair bit of ambiguity in what's allowed.

Here, a screenshot with a trivial example.

This is the Executive Producer on the ADR side.  However it does not say "ADR Executive Producer", it simply says "Executive Producer".  Strictly speaking, it would appear to be perfectly valid for me to include that, per the rules.  It is only conventions developed outside the rules that would tend to frown on it.



Overall, I get the feeling that you're trying to answer these questions as if they were solely relevant to a particular contribution I was considering, where instead I'm trying to get a better overall understanding of things.  Perhaps it would have been better to ask these questions in the Rules Committee forum, but I had thought it was better here because it was a question about the rules, rather than considerations for revisions or additions.