Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1  Previous   Next
Long outstanding problems
Author Message
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorSrehtims
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 1,796
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
There are a number of problems that have been around for sometime and have been discourse of this forum for some time. Any unless they corrected there is little here is any hope of getting a more accurate and consistent online data base.

If I notice a profile has an update and I accept the update it does not change the following, even if I completely clear the cast and crew. It would appear that the profiler takes the first instance it finds and uses it.

middle names,
capitalization,
birth dates.

Now I don't which instance is correct in the occurring differences nor should I have to manually go through my entire db and determine which is correct and correct the differences. I would only hope the person who made the change if correct. Other wise why even bother accepting any profile update..
After all how many user go back and check to see if the total update was accepted, the change was made.

If an individual's name is Von or von, D' or d' if a correction is made, right of wrong it should at least be consistent. Consistency is the only way we can achieve a better online data base.
We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
Ineptocracy, You got to love it.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
Alien with an attitude
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 13,201
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
All three things you mentioned are automatically ignored when accepting an update.  This was done so that for those people who set up their names the way they want them, can accept cast and crew changes without having to worry that their preferred formatting is overwritten.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,330
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Right... these things were done purposely... and is more of a feature then a problem.
Pete
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorSrehtims
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 1,796
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I don't know about the rest of the world, but as far as I know in here in the US you have one legal name at a time. When I was a child some people called me Jimmy and I have address as Jim in later years among other things, but my legal first name is James, that is what is on my birth certificate and I haven't changed it legally.

In the online data base there should be one name and one name only for any given profile. So if I have a profile without any cast or crew, I think I should get what I is on the Invelos data base when I down line load it not a similar first name that is in some arbitrary list I don't control. If is not the case there is little hope of ever having correct data base. Thus to make this profiler any more accurate than the IMDB is only a pipe dream.

After all this profiler is advertised as a DVD profiler, not a film encyclopedia or a media whose who, that is why I have always thought a profile as far as cast and crew should be based that what is on the DVD nothing more or nothing less.

Bye.
We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
Ineptocracy, You got to love it.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
Registered: March 15, 2007
Canada Posts: 1,982
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Srehtims:
Quote:
When I was a child some people called me Jimmy

But it's a great name

Quoting Srehtims:
Quote:
After all this profiler is advertised as a DVD profiler, not a film encyclopedia or a media whose who, that is why I have always thought a profile as far as cast and crew should be based that what is on the DVD nothing more or nothing less.

Yeah right cause we don't want to link the films in a career of a performer because he/she use different name... if you want that just use the 2.X version as it didn't use the "credited as" field, it's useless but if this is what you want feel free to go backward...
 Last edited: by Jimmy S
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
Alien with an attitude
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 13,201
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Srehtims:
Quote:
I don't know about the rest of the world, but as far as I know in here in the US you have one legal name at a time. When I was a child some people called me Jimmy and I have address as Jim in later years among other things, but my legal first name is James, that is what is on my birth certificate and I haven't changed it legally.

I am not sure what this has to do with anything as actors are not required to use their legal name in film credits.  In fact, quite a few actors use completely made up names...John Wayne for example.
Quote:
In the online data base there should be one name and one name only for any given profile.

There is only one name for any give profile.  While the formatting might change, the name is still the same.  What I mean is, James Van Der Beek and James van der Beek, though capitalized differently, are still the same name.
Quote:
So if I have a profile without any cast or crew, I think I should get what I is on the Invelos data base when I down line load it not a similar first name that is in some arbitrary list I don't control.

First, you don't get what is similar, you get what is an exact match excluding formatting.  Using my previous example, if you have James Van Der Beek in your local, and the new profile has James van der Beek, once downloaded, the name will be James Van Der Beek.  Because you do control your local list, the program lets you keep what is already there.

Second, regardless of how it is handled...downloading the change or matching what you have local...it is still arbitrary.  We are required, by the ruled, to convert all names to mixed case and place them into 3 name fields.  Each person that creates a profile, because they probably don't know each and every person listed in the credits, is entering that data arbitrarily.
Quote:
After all this profiler is advertised as a DVD profiler, not a film encyclopedia or a media whose who, that is why I have always thought a profile as far as cast and crew should be based that what is on the DVD nothing more or nothing less.

Except for formatting, cast and crew are based on what is on the DVD, meaning we enter the name that is listed in the credits using mixed case.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I won't even get into this, it has.been hashed, rehashed and hashed some more. If I am following this correctly,  it is done for reasons which have been explained repeatedly, and mods have been made as described for better functioning. But locally we all have the ability to manage our own data in whatever way suits each one is, our data needs, personal preferences and so forth.
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1  Previous   Next