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And your point is?


More importantly:
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Please note: This forum is not the place to "call out" contributors, berate them, or to impugn their motives.

If you believe a contribution is wrong, you vote "no" and state the reason.

You can always send the contributor a pm but it violates invelos rules to bring that issue to the forums.

I don't really mind "being called out" as I'd be interested in seeing other opinions.

The main point is Fox is only listed as the distributor on the back cover. Since MGM's logo is all over the cover, doesn't that mean they're the publisher as well? At the very least, the movie's licensor? I don't really see what the issue is as MGM has had this same distribution deal with Fox for 6-7 years now and MGM is still listed as a media company on most of their discs (I'd argue they should always be there). I considered including them as "Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Home Entertainment". According to Wikipedia while that company still exists, they no longer use that name so I've added them as "Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios" as per their copyright.

While I understand Orici's point that they're already listed as a studio (and I guess can be filtered, etc), I don't think it's a good reason to omit them if they're a MC as well. I'm less interested in half measures than I am in doing what's factually correct.

This is what I PM'd Orici last night:

"I agree the spine isn't really justification, but I've found it's a decent way of cutting through the BS of all the legal mumbo jumbo. Looking at the Blu-rays on my shelf, about 90% of the time the home video publisher has their logo on the spine, or there's a a very clear association between them.

And look at it this way: if Fox is listed only as the distributor, who did everything else? Who published the material? All of the extras are produced by MGM and have their logo on them (not even Columbia, the movie's co-producer gets that credit). If you disagree that MGM is the disc's publisher, at the very least, MGM should be given a MC credit for licensing to Fox, shouldn't they?"

Here are some articles which discuss the MGM/Fox situation:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2011/04/mgm-fox-home-entertainment.html
http://www.deadline.com/2011/04/mgm-re-ups-dvd-deal-with-fox-through-2016/

Correct. Fox is definitely the distributor and is listed on the packaging as the distributor. But as you know, there are other MC designations apart from distributor. As per the rules, we should enter the home video publisher and licensor as MCs in addition to distributor.

My argument is MGM serves as home video publisher and/or licensor while Fox is the distributor (the only role they are credited with).

Lewis, you're confusing the situation. While MGM did go bankrupt, they never sold their home video rights to Fox. MGM went bankrupt initially in 2005 and was purchased by Sony, which also started distributing their DVDs and early Blu-rays until 2006. That year MGM reemerged on its own and was not happy with the job Sony was doing and made a deal with Fox through 2011 to distribute their home video product. Fox doesn't own the video rights, they just release MGM's titles on home video. MGM did file for bankruptcy again in 2009, but they were restructured and their deal with Fox was largely unaffected. If you look at the articles I linked to a few posts up, they discuss how MGM extended their contract with Fox until 2016. If they had not been happy with Fox, they could have taken their DVDs and Blu-rays to another distributor.

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Like it or not, pretty much anything with a logo on the cover can go in the MC field. Why MGM would be excluded is beyond me, as they would seem to have some legitimate rights to their own content!

You are, indeed, correct.  The rule:

Publisher (Content) - Usually found as a logo on the bottom of the back cover or in the credit block, often containing the words "home video" or "home entertainment. Secondary publishers (eg. The Criterion Collection's Eclipse label) may also be listed.