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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm sure I'll regret asking, but I'm doing the crew for "LEGO Batman: The Movie" and at the end of the end credits there's "Music Score from 'Batman' written by Danny Elfman". His theme was used in the movie (in fact over the opening credits) but other cues were used as well.
After his credit is "Superman Theme" written by John Williams but that seems obvious getting a "Theme by" credit. But what about the other? Is it a composer credit? |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would say no, since it was from another film and not original to LEGO Batman. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
I would say no, since it was from another film and not original to LEGO Batman. This ^ | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yeah, after looking at the crew chart, agreed. | | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with the others.
For the "Superman Theme:" it is not the Theme of the given picture, so no credit for Williams either. |
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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,261 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yeah, both were used originally for another feature so not valid at this time. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | A theme is almost never original. In fact it is usually the whole purpose of a theme to reuse it for a sequel. series or remake. Are you now going to exclude all non-original themes from Profiler? Then what exactly is the purpose of the theme by credit? (Note that unlike song and composer credits the rules say nothing about having to be an original work.) | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 553 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
I agree with the others.
For the "Superman Theme:" it is not the Theme of the given picture, so no credit for Williams either. I don't believe the rules state a theme necessarily has to be the movie's main theme, and as iPasta stated, themes don't have to be original. Still, I don't know if I'd include it for this case myself (having not seen this video). | | | My DVD/Blu-ray Collection
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
I agree with the others.
For the "Superman Theme:" it is not the Theme of the given picture, so no credit for Williams either. The rules do not require that it be the theme of the given picture. It is the only piece of unoriginal music that the rules allow. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,261 |
| | Posted: | | | | 'Theme By' is valid for Superman Theme. Sorry, my mistake. | | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | With regards to the theme, it's only heard, in a comical sense, when Superman shows up... |
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | I did not object because it is not original, but because it is not the theme of the film.
Is the intent of the Rules for "Theme by," to credit any piece of music identified in the credits as a "Theme?" I don't think so.
The Theme of a film is that which is identified with the work or series of works. Given The Movieman's description, to say that John Williams wrote the theme for LEGO Batman: the Movie, would be grossly inaccurate. | | | | Last edited: by CalebAndCo |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
I did not object because it is not original, but because it is not the theme of the film. As I said above, there is no requirement that it be the theme of the film. Quote:
Is the intent of the Rules for "Theme by," to credit any piece of music identified in the credits as a "Theme?" I don't think so. I don't know what the intent of the rule is, but if the Superman theme is used in the film, and the writer of that theme is credited, why shouldn't we include it? Quote:
The Theme of a film is that which is identified with the work or series of works. Given The Movieman's description, to say that John Williams wrote the theme for LEGO Batman: the Movie, would be grossly inaccurate. But the rules, as they are written, do not ask for the writer of "the Theme of the film," just the person credited as 'Theme by'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | ^ Yeah, I got all that. Seems the rules are lacking somewhat in this case, no? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
^ Yeah, I got all that. Seems the rules are lacking somewhat in this case, no? I guess it depends on what one wants. I have no problem listing John Williams as the writer of the Superman theme. Locally, I would use a custom role of "Superman Theme written by." Yet another reason custom roles should be contributable...they give credits like this context. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting CalebAndCo:
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^ Yeah, I got all that. Seems the rules are lacking somewhat in this case, no?
I guess it depends on what one wants. I have no problem listing John Williams as the writer of the Superman theme. Locally, I would use a custom role of "Superman Theme written by." Yet another reason custom roles should be contributable...they give credits like this context. I can agree with all of that except submitting the Superman theme written by credit as simply Theme By--which is clearly wrong. Since we can't provide the context, the credit should not be allowed. |
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