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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantJacktwist63
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Question-1 Does anyone know what the 'accepted' online resources that dvd profiler will allow to reference -when contributing a dvd that isn't in the database? I have used dvd empire, imdb, amazon, and apparently the powers that be, don't like one or all three of these.

Question 2- if I add a disc into my collection and choose not to contribute it to the database, is there a way I can get my mobile app for ios, to show the same info (ie; covers trailers) currently covers don't show. nor are trailers active.

thanks
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMerrik
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Question-1 Does anyone know what the 'accepted' online resources that dvd profiler will allow to reference -when contributing a dvd that isn't in the database? I have used dvd empire, imdb, amazon, and apparently the powers that be, don't like one or all three of these.


Those are all acceptable depending on how you use them.

For example, you can't copy the cast and crew from IMDB, that has to be taken from the film's credits. But say you're contributing a TV series and the regular cast members are credited with no character name, you can use IMDB (and to be safe, generally another source) to get the character names, you just have to state so in your contribution notes.

SRP can be taken from amazon for example. If a dvd/Blu-ray doesn't specifically state the aspect ratio and you have no program on your computer to determine it, you can use DVDEmpire or Blu-ray.com to get the aspect ratio.

It really all comes down to your contribution notes. If you put something like "cast and crew from IMDB" your contribution will be declined. If you put "cast and crew taken from film's credits... for actors with no character names, outside sources such as IMDB were used to determine character names" then you should be fine. If you took the genres from IMDB and simply put "info added from IMDB" the contribution will be declined. If you put "wasn't sure of which genres to select so referenced IMDB for info" then it will most likely be fine.

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Question 2- if I add a disc into my collection and choose not to contribute it to the database, is there a way I can get my mobile app for ios, to show the same info (ie; covers trailers) currently covers don't show. nor are trailers active.

thanks


I don't believe so no. I don't know all about the app though, just use it for general reference and not much else, so I can't be sure, but I'm pretty sure a title has to be in the online system for some info to appear.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantJacktwist63
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Thank you Merrik for your insight in regards to both questions.. one last thing in response to question 1... When the box for contributions appears for you to type in what online sources you used. I just type in one of the following online web sites (amazon.com, or dvd empire.com, or imdb.com) and nothing else. This seems to have worked fine in the past with NO issues. I've just submitted two more dvds not in the database.. and I got this message..

"An invalid source, such as a third party database, was listed in the contribution notes. Use of a third party database is not allowed per the contribution rules."

What gives?!?

So I re-contributed them again and put (rottentomatoes.com) Do you think this will work?

Sincerely
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You really need to write more then that in the list... not telling them where you got what info. If I was one of the screeners I would decline it too with those notes. Sorry.

Here is some examples of notes I give... an I can't remember the last time I got a decline...

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- Added Features... all verified on disc with PowerDVD
- Added Exclamation point at the end of Overview to match case
- Corrected Cast list per actual on screen credits....
---- Added period to Rev. Dresser
---- It is Guest #1 and Guest #2 in the end credits...removed divider per Rules
---- Birth Year for John McConnell per Birth Year Thread
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=250804&PageNum=109&messageID=1801649#M1801649
---- Changed Dancers divider to Group Divider per rules
---- Removed End Divider at end of cast list per Rules


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- Removed Original TV Movie from Other Features... not bonus material per case (not mentioned in with the special features) or Disc Menu (is separate from Bonus Material menu)... is just part of the set.
- Added TV Movie to Episode List... Changed titles to Title Format
- Added Box Set Content for Child Profiles I Created
- Added Cast Lists from Credits


As you can see.... I walked them through what I changed and where each field's info came from
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantJacktwist63
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Thank you addicted to dvd for your information. So in my situation, the dvd wasn't in the database, I can say something like;

created the entire profile, ie; cast, format, covers , production notes etc, as this file did not exist in the database and used not only information directly from the box source itself and disc, but also imdb.com, dvd empire.com and amazon .com"

Do you think this would be sufficient? Not sure more more I can say if a file wasn't in the database to begin with.

Thanks again gentlemen. U rock!

Jc
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Why do you think it being a new profile would make the notes any different? Whether it is a new profile added to the database or an update you would really need to break up where you got which info... What did you take from the disc? what info from the box? what info from imdb? etc.

Something like...

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New Profile
- Cast and Crew from film credits (Only source allowed for this info)
- Overview from back cover
- Covers scanned myself
- SRP from Amazon.com
etc., etc., etc.


Please remember per our RULES all info that can come from the case, disc or film itself must come from there. Online sources should only be used for info that you cannot get from the actual release. Stuff like SRP and the Release Date.... Character names when not in credits... birth years when needed... linking to a common name.... stuff like that.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantJacktwist63
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I just didn't realize I needed to break down every single detail of every pice of info I added and where it came from. I never had to in the past. But if that's what needed. So be it


Thanks again

Jc
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That is the way I always did it (since they started using notes for contributions)... and as I said... I can't remember the last time I had a decline. And I been contributing profiles for a good 13 years now. Wow! I can't believe it has been that long! 
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Thank you addicted to dvd for your information. So in my situation, the dvd wasn't in the database, I can say something like;

created the entire profile, ie; cast, format, covers , production notes etc, as this file did not exist in the database and used not only information directly from the box source itself and disc, but also imdb.com, dvd empire.com and amazon .com"

Do you think this would be sufficient? Not sure more more I can say if a file wasn't in the database to begin with.

Thanks again gentlemen. U rock!

Jc


I'd so this probably wouldn't be sufficient.

The last line you use: "used not only information directly from the box source itself and disc, but also imdb.com, dvd empire.com and amazon .com" is a little too ambiguous. You say you've used imdb.com, but you don't say what you got from there. The screener could easily assume that you got the cast and crew information from imdb.com and decline the contribution. As Addicted2DVD said, you need to break it down a little more.

What did you get from where?

If you used imdb.com to get a cross-reference for a cast or crew member, say that.

"Created the entire profile, ie; cast, format, covers , production notes etc, as this file did not exist in the database. The information entered into the profile was taken from the box source itself and disc. Cast and crew were taken from the film's credits. Common name for ____________ added, cross referenced with IMDB to ensure it's the same person. Amazon.com was used to get the SRP for the profile. No aspect ratio listed on the cover, used dvdempire.com to get this information."

If you put that stuff in your notes, you should be fine.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMerrik
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I just didn't realize I needed to break down every single detail of every pice of info I added and where it came from. I never had to in the past. But if that's what needed. So be it


Thanks again

Jc


I don't necessarily break down every single solitary detail of the info added to the profile, but I do make sure to note the big ones.

An example of what I put when contributing a new profile would be something like this:

"New Canadian locality Blu-ray submission.
All information entered into the profile was taken directly from the film's packaging or the disc itself.
All cast and crew information entered was taken directly from the film's credits, in credit order.
Release date was verified from ____________ & _____________.
SRP was verified from ____________ & ____________.
Birth Year for ______________ has previously been accepted into the system and is verified in the pinned birth year thread in the contributions forum (link)."

Something like that.

If I'm submitting changes to an already existing profile, I go a little more in detail so the voters can why I'm making the change and where I got the info from.
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All good advice, especially from Merrik and Addicted2DVD

Also worth mentioning, is that for pre-release contributions, I successfully use the same standard patter every time so it's clear to the Screener what I'm contributing, importantly including an address of the title from the retailer/distributor so they can check for themselves before approving the title.

Here's an example of a recent pre-release contribution I made:

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This new title / DVD is not yet in the database.

Collected available data from retailers and websites of media companies and DVD distributors; only basic information has been added. THIS IS A PRE-RELEASE PROFILE CONTRIBUTION ONLY.

http://networkonair.com/shop/1762-best-pair-of-legs-in-the-business-the-5027626391140.html
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Remember that the notes are not only a way to get your contributions accepted into the database. For this very little is required. Too little some might say. But they also serve the purpose to inform your fellow Profiler users as to where, why and what you were changing or adding which makes the task of reviewing your contribution notes later so much more helpful to everyone.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantJacktwist63
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To all that have contributed to this conversation, I am deeply grateful for all your insight, suggestions, and advice. It certainly has cleared up some confusion on my end, and has provided some very useful and excellent tips.

Much appreciated ,

Jc
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Question 2- if I add a disc into my collection and choose not to contribute it to the database, is there a way I can get my mobile app for ios, to show the same info (ie; covers trailers) currently covers don't show. nor are trailers active.

thanks

Since question 1 was already answered, I will help a little with question 2.

If you sync with the on-line database, the answer is 'no'.  If you sync with your local database, you won't get trailers, as those are attached to the on-line profile, you will get all other information that is in your local profile...including covers.
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