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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
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I am having a disagreement with a fellow contributor over the addition of numbering to episodes in the overview that is not present on the cover. The contributor is using the Simple List rule to support this.

A visual aid my be the easiest to explain... if we have a child profile where the overview looks like...



The overview is...

Quote:
PILOT
Liz Parker discovers a fellow high school classmate has otherworldly powers when she's shot during an altercation at the Crashdown Café.

THE MORNING AFTER
Liz and Maria come to their new friends' aid after Sheriff Valenti and Ms. Topolsky show an unusual interest in Max, Isabel and Michael.

MONSTERS
Isabel uses her powers to visit Maria in her dreams after she, Max and Michael begin to fear Maria will not be able to keep their secret.

LEAVING NORMAL
Although Max has decided he must stay away from Liz, he helps her say a final farewell to her comatose grandmother.


and is trying to change it to...

Quote:

Episodes:

1. PILOT
Liz Parker discovers a fellow high school classmate has otherworldly powers when she's shot during an altercation at the Crashdown Café.

2. THE MORNING AFTER
Liz and Maria come to their new friends' aid after Sheriff Valenti and Ms. Topolsky show an unusual interest in Max, Isabel and Michael.

3. MONSTERS
Isabel uses her powers to visit Maria in her dreams after she, Max and Michael begin to fear Maria will not be able to keep their secret.

4. LEAVING NORMAL
Although Max has decided he must stay away from Liz, he helps her say a final farewell to her comatose grandmother.


using this rule...

Quote:
- If the Main Feature of the disc is a collection of some kind (e.g. shorts, TV episodes, multiple films, etc.) rather than one single feature, a simple list of the collection contents may be added to the standard overview. Example:
1. Title
2. Title
3. Title"


I say this isn't correct because it is talking about adding a simple list... and what she is attempting to do is editing the overview so it no longer matches the case per Rules.

Thoughts?
Pete
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I am submitting this change and my rationale includes more information and is as follows:

TV rules:
" Complete Series/Season & Anthologies of Episodes - A simple list of Episodes may also be added to the standard overview. Do not add episode synopses to the overview field, but these can be added to the local non-contributed “Notes” field."

TV Child profile rules:
"Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required. Add these profiles to the box set contents of the parent profile. Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules with one exception - Cover Images. If a disc, or set of discs, have their own case, use the cover images from that case. When submitting a change to an existing TV series profile that is currently a box set, do not remove the existing contents."

Standard Contribution rules:
"In either case, the cast and crew are to be entered into the parent profile using appropriate episode dividers.
- If the Main Feature of the disc is a collection of some kind (e.g. shorts, TV episodes, multiple films, etc.) rather than one single feature, a simple list of the collection contents may be added to the standard overview. Example:
1. Title
2. Title
3. Title"

Ken has clarified that standardization is key:

http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=667247&PageNum=10
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TV rules:
" Complete Series/Season & Anthologies of Episodes - A simple list of Episodes may also be added to the standard overview. Do not add episode synopses to the overview field, but these can be added to the local non-contributed “Notes” field."


Don't see how this has anything to do with adding numbers to the titles that are in the overview.

Quote:

TV Child profile rules:
"Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required. Add these profiles to the box set contents of the parent profile. Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules with one exception - Cover Images. If a disc, or set of discs, have their own case, use the cover images from that case. When submitting a change to an existing TV series profile that is currently a box set, do not remove the existing contents."


Don't see how this has anything to do with adding numbers to the titles that are in the overview.

Quote:
Standard Contribution rules:
"In either case, the cast and crew are to be entered into the parent profile using appropriate episode dividers.
- If the Main Feature of the disc is a collection of some kind (e.g. shorts, TV episodes, multiple films, etc.) rather than one single feature, a simple list of the collection contents may be added to the standard overview. Example:
1. Title
2. Title
3. Title"


As I said... you are not adding a list here you are editing an overview that is already on the case. Two different things completely.

Ken's statement you are pointing to:
Quote:
One-off rulings on individual titles are a waste of time - there is always a new twist available to cast a slightly different shade of gray, and users cannot be expected to scour the forums on a title-by-title basis.  Similarly, refining and complicating the rules to satisfactorily contain each of these new variants is an exercise in futility.

Local databases can support an infinite variety of variants for title and other fields, and the local locks are available to make those changes permanent.  With this in mind, hopefully the supporters on both sides of this and other similar debates can agree that the direction of a decision here is less important that the fact of a decision.  Consistency for submission to the online is possible and what we should shoot for.  Agreement on how it "should be" is neither possible nor (thankfully) necessary.

We'll be implementing a global edit for contribution evaluator use.  This will allow us to make a decision on a particular range of titles and standardize them directly.  In this particular case, the titles will be Men in Black, Men in Black II and Men in Black III.  Details on the forthcoming implementation will be posted before we begin making any profile changes.


I see nothing here to support what you are doing. He made a decision on titles that contained both logos and titles on the front cover... and stated there will be "global edit for contribution evaluator use.  This will allow us to make a decision on a particular range of titles and standardize them directly."

No where does it say... or give us the right to try to start standardizing anything on our own. Notice what I put in bold.... for evaluator's use. that tells me that we shouldn't be trying to standarize anything ourselves.
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Make a compromise.

Leave the overview as it is, per the rules copied down 1:1 with all spelling mistakes and whatnot.

Add the simple list afterwards, also per the rules.
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As silly as it sounds... I don't think it is something I could  vote no to... as it seems it would be allowed per rules. But not something that would ever make it into my database.
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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Make a compromise.

Leave the overview as it is, per the rules copied down 1:1 with all spelling mistakes and whatnot.

Add the simple list afterwards, also per the rules.

Another case where we may do something, but probably shouldn't as the episode list is already part of the overview...which must be copied exactly.  Bottom line, if there aren't numbers in the overview on the case, they can't be added.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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As silly as it sounds... I don't think it is something I could  vote no to... as it seems it would be allowed per rules. But not something that would ever make it into my database.

I would have no problem voting no to such a change.  While it isn't specified, the addition of the simple episode list portion of the rule is there for sets that do not already have one included in the overview.  For sets that do, there really isn't any point in adding one, or am I missing something here?
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nope not missing anything. Just going strictly by how the rules are written it could be done (adding an episode list to such an overview).
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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Make a compromise.

Leave the overview as it is, per the rules copied down 1:1 with all spelling mistakes and whatnot.

Add the simple list afterwards, also per the rules.


Yeah technically this would be allowed. I just don't see the Point why anyone would do such a thing... 

Fix something that needs fixing instead!
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This thread seems to be getting sidetracked by this ...

Quoting DJ Doena:
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Make a compromise.

Leave the overview as it is, per the rules copied down 1:1 with all spelling mistakes and whatnot.

Add the simple list afterwards, also per the rules.


But it seems everyone here agrees that the contribution being submitted is NOT per rules and my no votes are correct?
Pete
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But it seems everyone here agrees that the contribution being submitted is NOT per rules and my no votes are correct?

Yes, your no vote is correct.  There is an overview on the back of the case and, per the rules, it must be copied exactly.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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Thanks Martian... I just checked... and looks like the contributions in question were withdrawn.
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From your example, I agree with you.

The problem I always have had is adding titles where none exist,
but those who do not use box set probablely see the need for them.

I copy the cover using OmniPage, it make fewer mistakes than my typing.
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