The profile for my locality was barren, and I was updating it form the French locality, but I saw all these actors / actresses (after the "et") credited with no role and no indication of himself / herself / uncredited. These are already credited in all the other profiles, and I wouldn't recognize them from Adam if I saw any of them for purposes of an "uncredited".

What should have been submitted / what should I submit?

(Of course, IMDB lists them all ...)

(Trying to keep this in one thread ...)
My other issue with  this title is making full / best use of the studio and media company fields.

Current Studios per Profiler:

Rezo Productions
C.E.R.
France 2 Cinéma

Current Media Companies:
Koch Lorber Films

From the credits ... (Koch Lorber gets a bumper before bonus trailers or anything ...)

un film produit par
REZO Productions - C.E.R. - France 2 Cinema - Bim Distribuzione
Altra Produccion  - Tornasol Films - Strada Productions - Mentor Cinema
avec le soutlen de Eurimages (support)

a co-production between France, Italy, spain, greece and russia
with the participation of 15 Cofimage and canal+
with the participation of CineCinema
in association with WILD BUNCH

On the back cover we have ...

(c) 2003 Renzo Productions
C.E.R.
France 2 Cinéma
Bim Distribuzione
Alta Producción
Tornasol Films
Strada Productions
Mentor Cinema
(c) 2006 Koch Lorber Films - A Koch Entertainment LP Company
Manufactured and Distributed by Koch Entertainment LP

And from the four letter word / evil empire, we have:

Production Companies

    Rézo Productions (as REZO Productions)
    Compagnie Eric Rohmer (CER) (as C.E.R.)
    France 2 Cinéma (co-production)
    BIM Distribuzione (co-production)
    Alta Producción (co-production) (as Atla Produccion)
    Tornasol Films (co-production)
    Mentor Cinema (co-production)
    Eurimages (support)
    Cofimage 15 (participation)
    Canal+ (participation)
    CinéCinéma (participation) (as Cinecinema)
    Wild Bunch (in association with)
    Strada Productions (co-production)

Distributors -----

    Rézo Films (2004) (France) (theatrical)
    Blaq Out (2004) (France) (DVD)
    BIM Distribuzione (2005) (Italy) (theatrical)
    CDI Films (2006) (Argentina) (theatrical)
    Filmmuseum Distributie (2005) (Netherlands) (theatrical)
    Japan Community Cinema Center (2012) (Japan) (theatrical) (in association with)
    Kinokuniya (2012) (Japan) (theatrical)
    Mermaid Film (2012) (Japan) (theatrical)
    Playtime S.A. (2004) (Greece) (theatrical)
    BIM Distribuzione (2006) (Italy) (DVD)
    Cinemax (2005) (Hungary) (TV)
    Koch Lorber Films (2006) (USA) (DVD)
    Mentor Cinema (Russia) (all media)
    Transeuropa Video Entertainment (TVE) (2006) (Argentina) (DVD)
    Transeuropa Video Entertainment (TVE) (2006) (Argentina) (VHS)
    Universum Film (UFA) (2006) (Germany) (DVD)

This film may not have received a USA (theatrical) release.

Quoting Lewis_Prothero:

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And since a "Mass Copy" from other sources is explicitly not allowed, make sure not to mention IMDb too often.

My source for all the names / roles is a previously approved submission for the France locality. Of course, I don't know where the submitter got that data ...

I always create my cast / crew from the actual credits, but I do compare to other sources, such as IMDB, to see if I've overlooked something. If another source gives a credit I didn't initially see, I go back thru the credits a 2nd time looking for it. I think this is a very reasonable way to reference other sources without copying them

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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Don't get me wrong... not saying anything is wrong with the way you do... just trying to understand. Seem like you are doing an unnecessary extra step. Go by the Credits... then go by the site... and if you see something you missed check the credits again.

The author of the plugins FCCE and Cast/Crew Edit 2 has added a couple of extra features which are useful in my quest for accurate credits.

Given that I do use other sources for the raw data in an effort to minimize typing, I wanted the ability to use check-off boxes in reviewing credits prior to submission to indicate whether I'd found that person either in the opening or closing credits. If I'm done viewing the credits and I don't have someone checked off that I expected to be there, then I re-wind and look for them a second time.

The other new feature that is quite useful is a "find" capability, where if I'm looking at end credits I can just type CTRL-F to find an artist, and the F3 to flip forward to any additional listings within cast or crew.

If I don't find someone in the credits then I delete that entry, no matter who thought the entry should be there.

It's all about promoting accuracy. If I had to type the complete credit list in from scratch, there would be too many possibilities for typos.

Letting someone else do the typing means I can spend more time verifying the accuracy of cast and crew. I'm always amazed at how wrong / incomplete the listings are from IMDB. But sometimes IMDB lists a credit that I can verify by going to other sources, and that is useful.

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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I don't use any pluggins for cast/crew contributions. I just do it from scratch (if new) or check from the credits of the film.

I think snagging the cast / crew credits from an existing profile is just fine -- but I don't mind using a plugin that will save me some typing.

For me, the most important thing is that nothing is submitted without first eyeballing the actual credits so that what you submit actually matches them.

Any concept of fair use would allow you to report the credits exactly as listed from a DVD in your collection. If not, how would we ever come by our data?

It's a particular problem if you start scraping data wholesale, including typos and other errors, from IMDB or other sources. I think we can all agree on that.

Rizor: I can't find evidence of a theatrical release in the USA, but I don't know if that makes a difference. Is there a reference for indie theater showings of films?

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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well uncredited wouldn't be an option since they are all listed in the credits.

What I would do is list them and leave the role blank. Even Ken himself said if there is no role in the credits it is perfectly acceptable to leave the role blank in profiler.

I'd put them all under a divider titled "et" (which I'm pretty sure means "and" or "with" in French) just like TV show credits. I'd also look for roles online, but it's a long shot to find em for cases like this.