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Contributions - Do you want them ??
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantfloyd680
Registered: May 28, 2007
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I am amazed by the randomness of some of the reviewers decisions. Recently I have put forward some changes to profiles that were obvious as a glance at the rear cover scan would show. These changes were mainly from Regions 2,4,5 to Region 4 as that is what was on the cover scan I put forward. There should not be anything else except what is written on the rear cover. Anyway a couple were passed and a couple were not. WTF! For these people that say some discs work on other regions - SO WHAT. I am having a problem uploading a Region 4 disc because someone has uploaded it with region 1 and 4. This would be the only disc I know of from region 1 AND 4 - it never happens, America sees to that. Because of this I can't upload my disc profile. Another thing about this profile is the cover scans were such poor quality that the information could not be read. How was the information verified by the reviewer ? Would it be possible for the reviewers to look at the information on the rear cover and only go by that. I have spent quite a few hours (weeks) to tidy up and upload my profiles so others don't have any hassles when they download them into their collection. Can we have a bit of commonsense used when being reviewed.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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No Floyd,

It's what's on the disc that counts, not what's on the cover. If the disc is encoded region 2, 4, 5 then that's what should go into the profile, regardless of what the back cover says. The same goes for pretty much everything. The only thing that needs to come from the back cover is the overview.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
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Registered: May 19, 2007
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??

Please read the contribution rules BEFORE contributing.

If you do, among the first things you will learn is that your problem is homemade since:

1) the contributed scans have to be for the specific release you are contributing to.
2) DVDProfiler knows exactly two combinations of identifiers for Profiles:
  a) UPC/EAN + locality
  b) Disc-ID + locality
If applied correctly this will lead to unique profiles for each title release. Means: conflicts between US and Australia releases are simply impossible to achieve.

If having questions about how to contribute, don't be afraid to ask.
But coming here to complain, while in fact it was you to make the mistake, isn't exactly the best way to get helpful comments.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorNexus the Sixth
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1) the contributed scans have to be for the specific release you are contributing to.


And to be completely clear, they have to be for the FIRST release so you can't contribute re-release covers, even if they are better quality than the original scans. You can of course keep them locally, just be sure to lock them so they don't get overwritten by someone else's contribution.

I think all the other issues are covered by the contribution rules so make sure you read them. Pay special attention to the first pages, including:
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The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself.  Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover.  In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible.
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For these people that say some discs work on other regions - SO WHAT.


This is actually very helpful information for people importing discs from other countries, which many collectors do since we often look for the "best" possible release regardless of origin. So even if you don't find it useful, many others do. Regardless, removing correct information from a profile is never acceptable.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMithi
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I am amazed by the randomness of some of the reviewers decisions.

As other already observed, your amazement might come from the fact that you didn't read the contribution rules.
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There should not be anything else except what is written on the rear cover.

No, that is not the way the owner of the program and the community sees it. That is reflected by the contribution rules.
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I am having a problem uploading a Region 4 disc because someone has uploaded it with region 1 and 4.

Please explain.
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This would be the only disc I know of from region 1 AND 4 - it never happens,

Wrong, I have several US-releases that are region 1 and 4 and even more UK-releases with 1,2,3,4.
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Because of this I can't upload my disc profile.

See this article about ID
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Another thing about this profile is the cover scans were such poor quality that the information could not be read. How was the information verified by the reviewer ?

A low resolution cover is better than no cover at all.

cya, Mithi
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributordee1959jay
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Quite often, information on the cover is simply WRONG. That's why we use tools like Nero Info Tool, VSO Inspector, DVDInfoPro etc. to verify what the cover says before contributing. We are aiming for an accurate database, not for a copy of back cover information.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
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Quoting dee1959jay:
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We are aiming for an accurate database, not for a copy of back cover information.
Except for the overview. Even if it describes a movie different of what is on disk, you have to copy it exactly (with all its spelling mistakes...).

Accuracy is not what people want. Rules are full of inconsistencies that do not allow to use the online database, for which rules ask to create names that exist mowhere, even in credits... 

To answer the question of the title of the thread : no, we do not really want contributions. With current rules, they are useless, and it is far better to build local profiles with correct data.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantfloyd680
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Well, I got the cream of the crop!!

I don't give a flying toss if the info on the back of the disc is WRONG. It is the info that is on the cover and that is fine by me and also it makes it easier to enter a disc.

So, I do (if you read my post correctly) have a conflict with a DVD. What if that DVD is in Spanish, French or German. am I supposed to accept that profile into my database ? I think not.

Oh! who was it said 'a low res cover scan is better than none' ? well matey, when I purchased this programme I was promised high res cover scans! well, is that a rule that has changed ?

I have noticed recently that most of the DVD's that I have purchased do not come up in the database, could that be because no one is buying this programme so no one is uploading profiles ?

I don't sit in front of my TV and watch 6000+ disc, I only use this as an Insurance aid and was willing to help others download my profile. pfffft!
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantfloyd680
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OH! I forgot, Bravo surfeur51
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We are aiming for an accurate database, not for a copy of back cover information.

Except for the overview. Even if it describes a movie different of what is on disk, you have to copy it exactly (with all its spelling mistakes...).

It's not that complicated, surfeur51. Each data field has its data source. The source for the data "Overview" is not the movie or the disk, the defined data source is the back of the case. If copied exactly as written, the data doesn't have errors. We do not manipulate the data by the use of external sources, like e.g. a spell, grammar and punctuation checker web site.

The source for disc-related data is, and this makes sense, the disc. Here the back cover is only a, possibly incorrect, transcription of the actual data.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMithi
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Well, I got the cream of the crop!!

Well ...
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I don't give a flying toss if the info on the back of the disc is WRONG.

... you really wonder?
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It is the info that is on the cover and that is fine by me and also it makes it easier to enter a disc.

You can enter it by cover if you don't have the means to do it by disc. You are however not allowed to changed verified better information back. You can do that locally if you want, but not submit.
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So, I do (if you read my post correctly) have a conflict with a DVD. What if that DVD is in Spanish, French or German. am I supposed to accept that profile into my database ? I think not.

And if you read my post correctly you might have guessed that this information is much to vague to answer to it.
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Oh! who was it said 'a low res cover scan is better than none' ? well matey, when I purchased this programme I was promised high res cover scans! well, is that a rule that has changed ?

The possibility of high-res scans, yes. But it is a user built database, so grab your scanner and start contributing.
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I have noticed recently that most of the DVD's that I have purchased do not come up in the database, could that be because no one is buying this programme so no one is uploading profiles ?

That could be, but I highly doubt that being allowed to screw up existing data is really a factor in this decision.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorhuskersports
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I have noticed recently that most of the DVD's that I have purchased do not come up in the database, could that be because no one is buying this programme so no one is uploading profiles ?


It's because no one has submitted the profile for the UPC or discID that you have in your possession, not because no one is buying the program. It's a user-built database, so YOU have to contribute the profile if you want it in the database.
My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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Contributions - Do we want them ??

Well, frankly, if you "don't give a toss", then the answer is no. We want contributions that follow the rules. If that doesn't suit you, then you must keep your profiles locally.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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I don't really care what is written on the DVD box - that has no bearing on what I will be watching.

On the other hand it is very important that profiler accurately reflect what is on the actual disc.

I want to know what regions, languages, etc. are on the movie that I am buying.

If a profile isn't in the database, I contribute it.

It is up to you whether or not you want to help the community by submitting profiles online.

If you do decide to contribute data, then it needs to be done in accordance to invelos' rules.

If there are sections of your local database that do not follow those rules, lock those sections and only contribute the data that does.
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My biggest complaint about contributions that I have always had over the years and will continue to have them as I don't think there will ever be any changes to this soon-:  is the fact if a movie is released as the exact same film from beginning to end to end is the fact of crew and cast names are never consistant from one locality to another ..  Title in point these past few weeks has been the final season of Breaking Bad .. I could not find the cast and crew for either Canada Quebec  or the USA . .none....  zero...  nada ..

BUT wait  here I find on the UK location someone ( a big thank you by the way) took the vast amount of time and energy and submitted line after line of crew and cast for the UK version of Breaking Bad  and it was was accepted and contributed to the world wide digital base for Invelos/Profiler .. 

Now why could this NOT be done for all localities?  because now after I copy and pasting the crew and cast into the major locations of USA /  and Canada .. I will am now (un-thankfully) taking credit for this ..

It will be accepted and admitted to the database ..    Someone will for sure say ' but different locality's have differant versions  therefore there may or may not be some deleted character '' ( not in this case though) .,, and IF that is the case just submit the change on the approved data .. don't just have no data at all ..  which doesn't seem right or correct if we want the Profiler to be as good as it can be ..
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