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The Family (Robert De Niro/Michelle Pfeiffer film) |
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| Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just wanted to give a heads up to anyone out there that purchased this film and has it in their system. The cast and crew for most profiles in the system seem to all originate (probably) from one really poorly done profile (and then blind cloning from one profile to another, to another, to another etc). Don't know which profile, didn't follow it back that far, and don't want to point it out anyway because in my opinion that could be seen as "calling out" a member. Just purchased the Blu-ray today and spent the last couple of hours correcting the cast and crew as needed, there's a crap ton of errors. For example, one of the main actors, the son in the movie, John D'Leo, was entered as John DeLeo. As of right now, not a single profile for the film correctly has him credited as John D'Leo, all of them in the system have him as John DeLeo. I've just submitted the changes to the Canadian profile I own, they obviously won't be released for a few days but wanted to let anyone know that the UPC on the profile is 065935596820 in case they wanted to take a look when it gets released. I didn't go through the system and correct the other profiles because of the Dividers in the cast list. There's a TON of nested dividers that the system isn't set up properly to deal with and I've never been sure how to handle that situation, so I just entered them all as Group Start dividers (whereas the profiles now have the "main" divider as an Episode Divider and the nested dividers as Group Start dividers) and I'm fairly sure I probably would've gotten some no votes out there somewhere because of this, so wanted to post this info here for anyone that's interested. Anyway, rambling... Just wanted to let you know to check your profiles because there's some really bad info contained in them and to warn against blind cloning the cast and crew from any of the releases in the system if you're entering a new profile (and to post the profile I updated in case you want to clone it or use it as a starting point when it's released). Thanks!  | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. | | | | Last edited: by Merrik |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Also actually, while I'm at it, can anyone confirm that "Malavita" is actually indeed the Original Title of the film?
During the credits, Relativity Media is the first company presented followed by a few companies from France. In France, it does seem to have been released under the title Malavita, but it was released in North America on September 10th of 2013, whereas it wasn't released in France until October 23rd. It's got a U.S. production company credited first, and was released first in the U.S.
Does that qualify it to have an original title of Malavita? | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
Also actually, while I'm at it, can anyone confirm that "Malavita" is actually indeed the Original Title of the film?
During the credits, Relativity Media is the first company presented followed by a few companies from France. In France, it does seem to have been released under the title Malavita, but it was released in North America on September 10th of 2013, whereas it wasn't released in France until October 23rd. It's got a U.S. production company credited first, and was released first in the U.S.
Does that qualify it to have an original title of Malavita? I knew it went by that name for a long time, but got renamed in NA quite a bit for the release. According to the rules: Foreign Films: The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin. i.e. A German DVD release for a film originally produced in the United States would have the German title in the Title field and the English title in the Original Title Field. So I think it would apply in this case? | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote:
The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin. This is what was messing me up. But just did a little more searching and I'm finding a lot of "English language French film" stuff out there, so I'm going to say the original title is probably correct. Never would've known or entered it myself, but good to have it there I suppose! | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
Quoting DoubleDownAgain:
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The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin.
This is what was messing me up. But just did a little more searching and I'm finding a lot of "English language French film" stuff out there, so I'm going to say the original title is probably correct. Never would've known or entered it myself, but good to have it there I suppose! The original title is The Family. The rule for original title tied to the CoO allows incorrect original titles to be entered into the database (The Fifth Element, should be per the rule - Le cinquième élément, The Transporter - Le transporteur, Just Visiting - Les visiteurs en Amérique, Joan of Arc - Jeanne d'Arc, 1492: Conquest of Paradise - 1492: Christophe Colomb. Not always is the original title in the language of the production companies. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
The original title is The Family.
The rule for original title tied to the CoO allows incorrect original titles to be entered into the database (The Fifth Element, should be per the rule - Le cinquième élément, The Transporter - Le transporteur, Just Visiting - Les visiteurs en Amérique, Joan of Arc - Jeanne d'Arc, 1492: Conquest of Paradise - 1492: Christophe Colomb.
Not always is the original title in the language of the production companies. I'm not sure if you are stating that as fact or as your opinion. FWIW I don't have a dog in the fight & don't care either way. But in my interpretation of the rules stat that the title of the film in it's CoO should be placed in the original title. Again, not saying that is how the rule should be, but I believe it's the only interpretation how the rule currently stands. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800
BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander
BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii
Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Rule :
Foreign Films: The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin.
Cannot be more clear. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Rule :
Foreign Films: The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin.
Cannot be more clear. And what's the country of origin for this film? | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Rule :
Foreign Films: The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin.
Cannot be more clear. True, but the fact that it was a co-production makes it a little less clear. While we can enter multiple CoOs, we can't enter multiple original titles. To add to that, does a co-production even count as a foreign film? If yes, wouldn't it be a foreign film in both countries? If no, does the rule even apply? While the rule may be clear, the situation is anything but...and, no, I don't have a dog in this fight either. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
And what's the country of origin for this film? Rule : Country of Origin (COO)Enter the country or countries in which the main feature's production company/companies are based, in the order they appear in the credits. The "main" CoO was the first one, when we had only one field. No reason to change that. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | So that means no Original Title then? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
Just wanted to give a heads up to anyone out there that purchased this film and has it in their system. The cast and crew for most profiles in the system seem to all originate (probably) from one really poorly done profile (and then blind cloning from one profile to another, to another, to another etc). Don't know which profile, didn't follow it back that far, and don't want to point it out anyway because in my opinion that could be seen as "calling out" a member.
Just purchased the Blu-ray today and spent the last couple of hours correcting the cast and crew as needed, there's a crap ton of errors. For example, one of the main actors, the son in the movie, John D'Leo, was entered as John DeLeo. As of right now, not a single profile for the film correctly has him credited as John D'Leo, all of them in the system have him as John DeLeo. I've just submitted the changes to the Canadian profile I own, they obviously won't be released for a few days but wanted to let anyone know that the UPC on the profile is 065935596820 in case they wanted to take a look when it gets released.
I didn't go through the system and correct the other profiles because of the Dividers in the cast list. There's a TON of nested dividers that the system isn't set up properly to deal with and I've never been sure how to handle that situation, so I just entered them all as Group Start dividers (whereas the profiles now have the "main" divider as an Episode Divider and the nested dividers as Group Start dividers) and I'm fairly sure I probably would've gotten some no votes out there somewhere because of this, so wanted to post this info here for anyone that's interested.
Anyway, rambling... Just wanted to let you know to check your profiles because there's some really bad info contained in them and to warn against blind cloning the cast and crew from any of the releases in the system if you're entering a new profile (and to post the profile I updated in case you want to clone it or use it as a starting point when it's released).
Thanks!
and I for one appreciate what you did ... don't own the movie at this point .. but after you changed all the profile and submitted it as Canadian profile.. did you manage to also update the usa ( probably more than one).,, locality? ,, other wise that profile will remain unchanged .. It's too bad that the filters here at Invelos profile won't update the cast and crew for all the releases ... I know I know "!.. that differant locality's may or may not have same running time therefore some cast members may get added or bumped to profile .. but that would be the time to step in and add that to another locality if needed .... | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote:
Quoting ateo357:
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The original title is The Family.
The rule for original title tied to the CoO allows incorrect original titles to be entered into the database (The Fifth Element, should be per the rule - Le cinquième élément, The Transporter - Le transporteur, Just Visiting - Les visiteurs en Amérique, Joan of Arc - Jeanne d'Arc, 1492: Conquest of Paradise - 1492: Christophe Colomb.
Not always is the original title in the language of the production companies.
I'm not sure if you are stating that as fact or as your opinion. FWIW I don't have a dog in the fight & don't care either way. But in my interpretation of the rules stat that the title of the film in it's CoO should be placed in the original title. Again, not saying that is how the rule should be, but I believe it's the only interpretation how the rule currently stands. So per Invelos rule all the French titles in my post should be the in the original title field, and you would not have a problem with that. there seems to be two definitions of what original title means, 1 in the real world and then 1 per invelos rules. |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
The "main" CoO was the first one, when we had only one field. No reason to change that. Fair enough. Like the others have said, I don't particularly care one way or another, but it's good to hear other's opinions and why they have them. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
and I for one appreciate what you did ... don't own the movie at this point .. but after you changed all the profile and submitted it as Canadian profile.. did you manage to also update the usa ( probably more than one).,, locality? ,, other wise that profile will remain unchanged .. Thanks. I didn't update any of the other profiles no, mainly for the divider issue I mentioned in my first post. Since the program still can't handle nested dividers (and there's quite a few for the film's cast) I'm never quite sure how others want to handle them. I simply used Group Start dividers (instead of the episode dividers that were originally contained in the profile) but that doesn't allow all the info because once another one starts, the first divider's info doesn't carry through anymore. And I'm sure there are a few voters who wouldn't like that or would handle it differently. So when my update goes through, it's there if anyone wants to check it out and either clone it or use it as a starting point. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
there seems to be two definitions of what original title means, 1 in the real world and then 1 per invelos rules. Well, this is not the only place in rules where we find those two definitions. In real world, names are correctly spelled, specially when they have accents. In fact, you do not find it inaccurate to create "Invelos only" names when changing capital letters to small letters. Yes, there are two worlds, the real one, and the Invelos database one. But, BTW, in three of the examples you gave, even in real world, the original titles are French ones. In fact, Besson made at the same time a French version and an English version of those movies, to allow American spectators to see those movies without subtitles. With international cast, English speaking actors where dubbed in French for French version, and French speaking actors were dubbed in English for American version. But original title was French one. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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