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| Registered: January 16, 2010 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,617 |
| | Posted: | | | | The German movie M - Eine Stadt sucht einen Mörder does not have any form of credits within the movie.
But the German Blu-ray edition has a reprint of the official program from 1931 with some credits of cast & crew.
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Per the rules, you could not list any of the crew. Those need to be taken from the disc itself.
You can list the cast, but all of them would need to be tagged as uncredited, since you are not getting the cast from the disc.
When you contribute, be sure that you list the source for the uncredited cast.
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken's ruling on a similar matter (not an official program, but an official site) is here. Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
I see no problem listing the cast (as uncredited) and crew from the official site in this case. As such, it seems that both cast and crew may be entered. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: October 17, 2010 | | Posts: 298 |
| | Posted: | | | | If this is Ken's opinion then he should write it into the contribution rules because that is what we and the screeners have to work with. I just recently no-voted on uncredited crew for "M" and the contribution got declined by the screener. I would be very happy if the rules could be changed to something like "Cast & crew should be added exactly as they are listed in the film's credits. If the back cover or booklet contain additional crew members not in the credits, these can be added as well." | | | Recently bought films:
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | But that would not be correct. The only time an outside source can be used is when there is no credits in the film what so ever. If there is any at all in the credits then it has to match the film credits. | | | | Pete |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Discostu: Quote:
If this is Ken's opinion then he should write it into the contribution rules because that is what we and the screeners have to work with. While I agree that the rules should be updated to reflect such rulings, it should also be noted that this ruling is listed on the first page of the forum's pinned "Collected Statements from Invelos on contribution discussions", making it readily available for everyone without having to search endlessly. I still agree that pretty *everything* listed there really should be put into the rules, but surely that thread has been pinned for a reason. |
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| Registered: October 17, 2010 | | Posts: 298 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
But that would not be correct. The only time an outside source can be used is when there is no credits in the film what so ever. If there is any at all in the credits then it has to match the film credits. According to the current rules, yes. But rules can change. Quoting T!M: Quote:
While I agree that the rules should be updated to reflect such rulings, it should also be noted that this ruling is listed on the first page of the forum's pinned "Collected Statements from Invelos on contribution discussions", making it readily available for everyone without having to search endlessly. I still agree that pretty *everything* listed there really should be put into the rules, but surely that thread has been pinned for a reason. To be honest I totally forgot about that thread. I only look into the official rules when contributing/voting because it is said nowhere that the statements made in the forums are binding in any way. | | | Recently bought films:
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| Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | The US Criterion Release of M has credits. Granted, they look restored, and not original print credits, but since they identify both cast and crew, that could be used as a source. |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Ken's ruling on a similar matter (not an official program, but an official site) is here.
Quoting Ken Cole:
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I see no problem listing the cast (as uncredited) and crew from the official site in this case.
As such, it seems that both cast and crew may be entered. I would disagree with this one statement from Ken, as to applying to any other situation. His statement made reference to "THIS CASE", in my mind that only would've applied to that particular profile (which was found later to be incorrect, and credits were found at the very very end of the play). For any other variations to the rules, would need an approval from Invelos, or a modification to the rule (or both). Charlie |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,638 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
His statement made reference to "THIS CASE", in my mind that only would've applied to that particular profile That's not how I interpret it. I think "this case" refers to the case where the film has no credits, but the official site has. Whether this would also apply to official programs is another question, but it seems to me that those two cases would be comparable. I do find it strange, though, that the crew would be allowed while the cast is considered uncredited. The rules clearly do not allow uncredited crew, so if the cast is considered uncredited, wouldn't the crew be too? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | The British TV series Spooks - known in the US as MI-5 - is a well-known example of a series having no credits at all. AFAIK the official website has been accepted by Invelos as a valid credit source. |
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