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| Registered: March 17, 2007 |  Posts: 174 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hi!
Maybe there is an answer for that but I have not found it.
What do we do if we have limited editions with some extra figures and a case (steelbook, amaray) included in that packaging but both with the same EAN/UPC? The rules only state re-releases but what when it is the first release and the profile with the same EAN is included in each other?
Then it was only possible to enter one: Either the case of the discs or the complete case with the figure.
Is it now allowed to create an alternate version to have the complete case as EAN/UPC and the included steelbook as EAN/UPC variant? Because sometimes they are sold separately and I want to have the complete case with the figure as profile and the corresponding steelbook as a profile. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | If I understand correctly, I don't believe it qualifies for an alternate profile.
You can only get the dvd/blu-ray if you buy the special edition, so there is no multiple release of the title, it just happens to be wrapped in two sets of packaging. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lithurge: Quote:
If I understand correctly, I don't believe it qualifies for an alternate profile.
You can only get the dvd/blu-ray if you buy the special edition, so there is no multiple release of the title, it just happens to be wrapped in two sets of packaging. I haven't read the new rules closely, but if a different version has the same UPC, isn't that why we have alternate versions in the first place now? Sounds to me like what the feature was made for.  Maybe a UPC and/or some pictures. Now that I re-read this if it's a UPC outside and the same UPC inside, that inside should be a child right? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote:
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If I understand correctly, I don't believe it qualifies for an alternate profile.
You can only get the dvd/blu-ray if you buy the special edition, so there is no multiple release of the title, it just happens to be wrapped in two sets of packaging.
I haven't read the new rules closely, but if a different version has the same UPC, isn't that why we have alternate versions in the first place now? Sounds to me like what the feature was made for.
Maybe a UPC and/or some pictures. Now that I re-read this if it's a UPC outside and the same UPC inside, that inside should be a child right? My interpretation of the OP post is that there aren't two different versions with the same EAN, just a single release which is a special edition, which happens to have the same EAN on the outside packaging and the dvd case included inside it. If it is only available in the special edition packaging then the alternate rule as it currently exists doesn't seem to apply. To be fair the OP does mention that sometimes they are released separately and in that case I would agree it should have an alternate despite the rule referring to re-releases, something released at the same time isn't a re-release, but can easily fall under the rest of the criteria for an alternate profile. I don't tend to bother with child profiles unless it's a multi-film boxset, but I don't think the child profile rules would allow a child profile via disc id in this scenario either? | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lithurge: Quote:
My interpretation of the OP post is that there aren't two different versions with the same EAN, just a single release which is a special edition, which happens to have the same EAN on the outside packaging and the dvd case included inside it.
If it is only available in the special edition packaging then the alternate rule as it currently exists doesn't seem to apply.
To be fair the OP does mention that sometimes they are released separately and in that case I would agree it should have an alternate despite the rule referring to re-releases, something released at the same time isn't a re-release, but can easily fall under the rest of the criteria for an alternate profile.
I don't tend to bother with child profiles unless it's a multi-film boxset, but I don't think the child profile rules would allow a child profile via disc id in this scenario either? This is how I read it as well and agree with you on all counts. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: November 18, 2012 | | Posts: 9 |
| | Posted: | | | | So let's take Game of Thrones Season 4. There is the standard version, the Martell cover, the Tyrell cover, and the Target exclusive version. Each has a unique UPC. How should we be handling that, as special edition covers seem to be a trend with TV shows lately? Thanks! | | | | Last edited: by HofstraJet |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | If each has its own UPC, there's no problem at all. Each gets its own DVDP entry by UPC. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | You'd treat those releases of GoT the same way we always have, enter each release using its unique UPC.
Alternates are only used where there is a significant difference but no unique identifier, for example the recent UK Dr Who release of Enemy of the World ( 5051561038662 ) which had a 'limited edition', only available from the BBC shop and the standard version available everywhere else. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | HQuoting HofstraJet: Quote:
So let's take Game of Thrones Season 4. There is the standard version, the Martell cover, the Tyrell cover, and the Target exclusive version. Each has a unique UPC. How should we be handling that, as special edition covers seem to be a trend with TV shows lately? Thanks! If each version has it's own unique UPC# then just enter that. I would see no need for alternate versions in such a case. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote:
HQuoting HofstraJet:
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So let's take Game of Thrones Season 4. There is the standard version, the Martell cover, the Tyrell cover, and the Target exclusive version. Each has a unique UPC. How should we be handling that, as special edition covers seem to be a trend with TV shows lately? Thanks!
If each version has it's own unique UPC# then just enter that. I would see no need for alternate versions in such a case. What about the UK Amazon version? Extra disc but (unless you remember to scan the rear cover before taking the cellophane off then do a bit of photophop to make it look nice) it is the same UPC on the actual case itself. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote:
What about the UK Amazon version? Extra disc but (unless you remember to scan the rear cover before taking the cellophane off then do a bit of photophop to make it look nice) it is the same UPC on the actual case itself. I'm guessing the sticker is just Amazon's way of differentiating the standard/special edition when people order it, rather than the manafacturers desire to use a second UPC. Not the first time this has come up, albeit before we had variant functionality. http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=774794Seems from that the sticker UPC would be accepted by screeners so long as it's explained why the UPC doesn't match, whether that's how Ken wants to handle it now only he can answer. If it didn't have the sticker UPC I would see it qualifying for an alternate under the same UPC/different content part of the rule. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Lithurge |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,633 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lithurge: Quote:
You'd treat those releases of GoT the same way we always have, enter each release using its unique UPC.
Alternates are only used where there is a significant difference but no unique identifier, for example the recent UK Dr Who release of Enemy of the World ( 5051561038662 ) which had a 'limited edition', only available from the BBC shop and the standard version available everywhere else. As others have stated, if each has a unique UPC/EAN than there is no need for alternate profiles at the UPC/EAN parent profile level. However, a lot of users are creating alternate Disc ID profiles for each season even though the discs are exactly the same. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | The discs may be the same.. but there are other differences... I recently did alternate series disc level because...
- Completely different cover
- Difference in Overview
- Difference in case type
- Difference in release date
With all that (or even one of them) being the case we are to make alternate disc ids for them. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,633 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
The discs may be the same.. but there are other differences... I recently did alternate series disc level because...
- Completely different cover
- Difference in Overview
- Difference in case type
- Difference in release date
With all that (or even one of them) being the case we are to make alternate disc ids for them. But aren't all of those items packaging related, rather than disc related, which can be captured in the parent profile? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
As others have stated, if each has a unique UPC/EAN than there is no need for alternate profiles at the UPC/EAN parent profile level. However, a lot of users are creating alternate Disc ID profiles for each season even though the discs are exactly the same. I know, I said it myself several posts up. Nor did I suggest anything different this time, as Invelos has not made it publicly clear how it handles UPCs stuck to keep cases there is a legitimate question as to how Ken views handling these with alternates in place. Mind you it's not stated in the rules the shrink-wrap can't be scanned, it's just been assumed this is the case, mainly because you generally get a better scan without it. The other point that needs to be borne in mind is that not all sticker UPCs are legitimate. A lot of the third-party sellers on Amazon use their own UPC stickers for stock control. I'd prefer we use alternates in legitimate cases than end up with a database full of data entered under false UPCs. No idea what your latter point has to do with the question asked. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Lithurge |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
But aren't all of those items packaging related, rather than disc related, which can be captured in the parent profile? No, because child profiles reflect the data from their parents. | | | Karsten
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