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Alternate Versions: Bilingual Covers? (Canada)
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Updated re-releases of a title under the same UPC/EAN/Disc ID Use for: Two or more releases of the same title with largely different cover images (e.g. Disc ID profiles shared among different box sets).

I just bought Conan: The Barbarian (1982) on Blu-ray.

Here is the cover



Notice the MPAA Rating logo lower on the lower left side of the rear cover:

Here is the current Canadian Version:


Notice the bilingual text, as well as the Canadian Rating logo lower on the lower left side of the rear cover

Here is the current US Version:


Notice the MPAA Rating logo lower on the lower left side of the rear cover

To me it is a big difference because I loathe being forced to buy bilingual versions.  But i can see how it might not be to others.

This also may fall under the mysterious update int eh future that Ken has hinted at, dealing with Slipcovers and Non-slipcover versions, and this might, or probably will, fall into that category.

I'm not sure if I've ever seen this before.  Most times if it gets a Canadian release, and it has French audio, it gets a bilingual cover. 

Pretty sure I should just hold off and keep it local, but wanted to see what others thought.
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I am not sure I understand your question. Assuming you are wondering when the cover images of two releases of the same title with the same UPC/DiscID, both in the canadian locality (profiles ending with .3)  are largely different, this is how I interpret it:

- Same front cover, same overview on the back cover, only difference in the back cover is in the relative positions of elements: not different enough.
- Front cover: One with only the english title, the other with two titles, one in french, one in english: different enough.
- Back cover: one with overview in english only, the other with the overview in both languages: different enough, even if the english overview is identical (this is rare because the overview is often shortened to make room for both languages).
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I am not sure I understand your question. Assuming you are wondering when the cover images of two releases of the same title with the same UPC/DiscID, both in the canadian locality (profiles ending with .3)  are largely different, this is how I interpret it:

- Same front cover, same overview on the back cover, only difference in the back cover is in the relative positions of elements: not different enough.
- Front cover: One with only the english title, the other with two titles, one in french, one in english: different enough.
- Back cover: one with overview in english only, the other with the overview in both languages: different enough, even if the english overview is identical (this is rare because the overview is often shortened to make room for both languages).


Sorry, yes the differences in the Canadian profiles.  I posted the US profile to show that the covers are the same.

The only difference between my copy and the US version is the Rating in the lower right.

Mine is a Canadian release.  So I was asking if the covers are different enough to submit a UPC variant for Canada.  To me there is a BIG difference, but I can see how others would think otherwise.  I'd love to contribute a variant UPC, but not sure if it'd be better to wait to see what Ken's other solution is.  The Disc IDs match, so everything else appears to be the same.
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While the front is identical to the current, the omission of the bilingual text makes the back cover different enough to warrant an alternate cover.
This omission also affects the overview.

Now if the only difference was the Canadian ratings logo than I'd say no.
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Now if the only difference was the Canadian ratings logo than I'd say no.


But if the ratings differ (one being american and the other canadian), then there is no need for an alternate version: the cover with the canadian rating belongs to a canadian locality profile, the other to a US locality profile. Or am I missing someting?
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While I have never tried it with bilingual covers, I did try to do some where just some of the text (and some with a little more then the text) was different... and mine got declined saying not enough of a difference. So going by that and some of the examples I have seen in the forum where Ken said no... I would have to say I would doubt they would go through as there isn't enough of a difference.
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Now if the only difference was the Canadian ratings logo than I'd say no.


But if the ratings differ (one being american and the other canadian), then there is no need for an alternate version: the cover with the canadian rating belongs to a canadian locality profile, the other to a US locality profile. Or am I missing someting?


...and the bilingual cover should be a Quebec locality?

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While the front is identical to the current, the omission of the bilingual text makes the back cover different enough to warrant an alternate cover.
This omission also affects the overview.

Now if the only difference was the Canadian ratings logo than I'd say no.


That is what I was thinking.  But it doesn't affect the overview as we don't include French in the Canada locale, nor do we include English within the Canada (Quebec) locale .  (Thank heavens!!)

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Now if the only difference was the Canadian ratings logo than I'd say no.


But if the ratings differ (one being american and the other canadian), then there is no need for an alternate version: the cover with the canadian rating belongs to a canadian locality profile, the other to a US locality profile. Or am I missing someting?


There are three versions listed above:

The Canadian version currently in the database is bilingual.

The US Version is English only with the MPAA rating.

The version I have is English only but has a Canadian rating and no MPAA rating, so it is a Canadian release.  The question is does it warrant a UPC variant due to the differences in the covers?

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Now if the only difference was the Canadian ratings logo than I'd say no.


But if the ratings differ (one being american and the other canadian), then there is no need for an alternate version: the cover with the canadian rating belongs to a canadian locality profile, the other to a US locality profile. Or am I missing someting?


...and the bilingual cover should be a Quebec locality?

I wish!!  But no, most Canadian covers are within the Canadian locality.  Canada (Quebec) releases usually have French and sometimes English.  Many of the releases throughout Canada have English art one one side and French on the other (with the other language also bein shown in smaller fonts like the Example above)



I guess I'll go ahead and contribute it, see if the Screeners approve.  Thanks for everyone's thoughts.
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... most Canadian covers are within the Canadian locality.  Canada (Quebec) releases usually have French and sometimes English.  Many of the releases throughout Canada have English art one one side and French on the other (with the other language also bein shown in smaller fonts like the Example above).

Indeed. A sure way to distinguish a Canada (Quebec) profile (.19) from a Canada profile (.3) is that the title and overview are in French.

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I guess I'll go ahead and contribute it, see if the Screeners approve.

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Canada have English art one one side and French on the other



Yup.
Canadian DVD releases can come in a variety of ways, as you undoubtedly know.

examples from my collection:

English only (no French, blank reverse)
French only (no English, blank reserve)
French only - shown side- (English only on reverse)
English only - shown side - (French only on reserse)
Bilingual (with original title of film in English only) blank reverse
Bilingual (with title in both French & English) blank reserve
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So if I understand the OP, yes you would use an alternate profile if the title was released in Canada with both a bilingual and English-only cover.
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Got my answer:

DECLINED: The contributed alternate entry does not meet the requirement of having cover scans which are largely different. If the covers are visually similar, an alternate entry may not be created.
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Yup... that is the same reason I got when it was just a bit of text on the back of the cover. As I said earlier in the thread didn't really think it would go through. I personally think it should but Invelos disagrees.
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I totally disagree with invelos' on this - I would absolutely contribute these as being significantly different and feel I would be correct in doing so.
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I agree, but I think it might because of the other plan Ken has for dealing with Cover issues.  Not a huge deal, I'll just keep it local, but is a shame it can't be shared with others.
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