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Sopranos Complete Series Blu-ray--How to Handle Box Set Profiles |
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| Registered: October 4, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 330 |
| | Posted: | | | | I tried to search for this but couldn't find anything. It doesn't look like anyone has added child profiles for The Sopranos: The Complete Series on Blu-ray. I was going to but wasn't sure how to handle it. For those that don't have it, it's large slip case containing 7 HD Keep Cases (they're actually kind of in between a HD Slim and a HD Keep Case). Anyway, these cases then contain multiple discs, but do not have their own UPC.
With the new alternate version capability, the best way I could think of do this would be to add the Disc ID for the main entry for the case (ex The Sopranos: The Complete First Season), and then created alternate Disc IDs for the 4 discs contained in that case.
Does that make sense, or does anyone have a different idea? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is not one of the ways alternate disc IDs are to be used. The disc ID should be used for the disc only, not for the case. If you want a profile for the case, it should be a manual profile. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken already made this decision and is in the rules. Quote:
Note: In cases where multiple complete TV seasons/series (each with distinct UPC/EAN) are packaged together, the Box-set rules are applied, treating each season/series like a single film - applying the above rules for its individual profile. As you can see with what I put in bold each season set has to have it's own UPC to make a profile for it. This set should be Parent profile plus a child profile for each disc if you wish to create that. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Unless the same Disc IDs have already been used in previous (e.g. single-season) releases. In that case alternate Disc IDs can be used at disc level, with alternate covers.
But even then, as Pete and the Martian said, season-level profiles can only be used if they have their own UPC/EAN. | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting primetime21: Quote:
With the new alternate version capability, the best way I could think of do this would be to add the Disc ID for the main entry for the case (ex The Sopranos: The Complete First Season), and then created alternate Disc IDs for the 4 discs contained in that case. naw, that sounds kinda messy, I would go for either season under Disc-ID and first disc under variant thereof or vice versa. Every following disc under its own Disc-ID. But as already pointed out, the point is moot, Complete-Set gets the UPC and discs under Disc-ID, no seasons. If you wish you can of course create manual profiles for the seasons after contributing the Parent-profile with rule-abiding Boxset-Info. | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,633 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm not sure why the rules were changed to say that individually packaged seasons (separate cases) of a larger complete series box set could not be contributed if they don't have their own UPC/EAN. In reality, what is the real difference? Absolutely, none. They are package the same regardless except in one case one had a number and one doesn't. Quote:
Note: In cases where multiple complete TV seasons/series (each with distinct UPC/EAN) are packaged together, the Box-set rules are applied, treating each season/series like a single film - applying the above rules for its individual profile. In all fairness, we're already able to contribute separate cases/movies, of a larger box set, without UPCs/EANs if they have a single disc. Separate seasons packaged in their own separate cases is no different from the scenario I just mentioned. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | There is a huge difference. In the case you mentioned, the disc ID represents the single disc in the case. For multi season sets, you are wanting th disc ID for the first disc to represent an empty case. The disc ID should always represent the disc, not an empty case. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,633 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
There is a huge difference. In the case you mentioned, the disc ID represents the single disc in the case. For multi season sets, you are wanting th disc ID for the first disc to represent an empty case. The disc ID should always represent the disc, not an empty case. I would disagree. A disc ID, especially with the latest DVDP release, doesn't always represent a single disc. A disc ID can now represent individual movies on a single disc. Thus if there are four movies on a single disc we can now have four different variant disc IDs, one for each movie, even though there is only one physical disc and disc ID. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | This was argued about back and forth quite a bit in the rules committee forum.... and it ended with Ken going his own way with the UPC based packaging. It is a little stricter then anyone asked for as far as I remember... but is what Ken decided. I just figure he has his reasons for going with what he did. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 553 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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There is a huge difference. In the case you mentioned, the disc ID represents the single disc in the case. For multi season sets, you are wanting th disc ID for the first disc to represent an empty case. The disc ID should always represent the disc, not an empty case.
I would disagree. A disc ID, especially with the latest DVDP release, doesn't always represent a single disc. A disc ID can now represent individual movies on a single disc. Thus if there are four movies on a single disc we can now have four different variant disc IDs, one for each movie, even though there is only one physical disc and disc ID. Yes, alternate disc IDs are used to to represent the content on the disc. They are not used to represent empty cases. As Pete said, this was discussed in the rules forum and Ken made that call. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,633 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Yes, alternate disc IDs are used to to represent the content on the disc. They are not used to represent empty cases. As Pete said, this was discussed in the rules forum and Ken made that call. Just so I can accurately understand your position, are you saying that profiles should not be used because they are in essence "empty cases"? If so, how does this differ from "empty case" profiles which have an UPC/EAN? Yes, they do have a UPC/EAN but that would be the only difference from a case/cover art, of a series/season, which does not have a number. Also, let's not forget, disc-level profiles for each of the discs is not required (i.e. optional) for TV Series per the rules. Thus the main, and also an acceptable, way to currently contribute the episodes is to include them all in the parent profile. Quote:
Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required. Thus in the scenario where an entire season is housed in it's own case we have no way to contribute this info if it's not allowed because the cover art doesn't have a UPC/EAN. Yes, you can do this manually but the main benefit of the program is the sharing of data. In the case of a cover art not having a UPC/EAN users can't share this data. In the case of a cover art having a UPC/EAN we can share that data. It just seems odd that one would be allowable and not the other when in essence they are the same thing minus a number. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
Just so I can accurately understand your position, are you saying that profiles should not be used because they are in essence "empty cases"? If so, how does this differ from "empty case" profiles which have an UPC/EAN? Yes, they do have a UPC/EAN but that would be the only difference from a case/cover art, of a series/season, which does not have a number. No, that is not my position. My position is that the disc ID for an actual disc, should be used for that disc only, not for the empty case that does not have a unique identifier. Quote:
Also, let's not forget, disc-level profiles for each of the discs is not required (i.e. optional) for TV Series per the rules. Thus the main, and also an acceptable, way to currently contribute the episodes is to include them all in the parent profile. I haven't forgotten this, but it doesn't change my opinion on how the disc IDs should be used. Quote:
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Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required.
Thus in the scenario where an entire season is housed in it's own case we have no way to contribute this info if it's not allowed because the cover art doesn't have a UPC/EAN. Yes, you can do this manually but the main benefit of the program is the sharing of data. In the case of a cover art not having a UPC/EAN users can't share this data. In the case of a cover art having a UPC/EAN we can share that data.
It just seems odd that one would be allowable and not the other when in essence they are the same thing minus a number. I understand where you are coming from, I just don't think we should be co-opting the disc ID for this purpose. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | One of my suggestions was to use alternates for the UPC for the inner cases (may or may not be season levels... seen many other options) as I felt it should be per packaging... but Ken decided against that as well.
It is what it is... we can just work with what the rules allow. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,633 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I understand where you are coming from, I just don't think we should be co-opting the disc ID for this purpose. Thanks for the clarification. Do you have a recommendation on how to contribute these numberless sets then? Contributing these with Disc IDs is how they used to be contributed which might not align with the changed rules but the rules can be changed. The question though is what is an acceptable rule change? Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
One of my suggestions was to use alternates for the UPC for the inner cases (may or may not be season levels... seen many other options) as I felt it should be per packaging... but Ken decided against that as well.
It is what it is... we can just work with what the rules allow. Absolutely, we can work within the current rules but we can also request an appropriate rules change if necessary. It doesn't mean Ken would approve but unless we ask or try it would never happen. | | | | Last edited: by rdodolak |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes we can try.... but as I said... some of us tried it before and he still went his own way. | | | | Pete |
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