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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantDieReinkarnation
Registered: June 10, 2007
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Since when is every movie that has a Bluray and DVD copy in the box a box set?  I should not be getting asked to download child profiles just because the box contains two formats or three in the case of 3D movies.

A Box Set is when a Box contains more than one movie.  Such as the Star Wars collection (3 or 6 movies), The Matrix Trilogy (3 movies), The Harry Potter Collection (8 movies).  To me those are box sets and last I checked the textbook definition agrees with me.  Having multiple formats or a disc with bonus features is not a Box Set.  In fact last I checked the program has a Discs tab specifically to accommodate multiple discs for a single movie.  Yet instead when I put in a Blu-ray that happens to have a 3d or DVD copy or maybe both It wants me to download multiple child profiles which increase my movie count.  I am fine with this when it is actually a multi-movie box set (though not fine that the program still seems to count the box as a movie but that is a topic for another day). 

Now I do decline these additional downloads but every time the database updates more and more of my older movies are asking to download of child profiles which is time consuming and frustrating.  On top of that is no information about the multiple discs is being added to the discs tab meaning I am not getting all of the information about my library.  I am really questioning who is approving these profile updates counting a single movie with multiple formats as a box set when it removes the more accurate data of a single movie with multiple discs and why?
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantDieReinkarnation
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I almost forgot the most frustrating scenario of when I actually buy a box set that contains multiple formats.  For a 3 movies box set it downloads at least 6 child profiles if not more.  Which I then need to go back and delete at least half of them.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCharlieM
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Since it is in the rules, and has been for a number of years.

From the rules

"Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile."

I highlighted "may",  It becomes your choice whether you want to add the child, but the children are in the main DB,
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDiscostu
I'm sorry, Dave.
Registered: October 17, 2010
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Quoting DieReinkarnation:
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It wants me to download multiple child profiles which increase my movie count.


Just in case you don't know: It is possible to set these profiles to "count as = 0" when editing the personal page of the profile.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributordee1959jay
Registered: March 19, 2007
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Since when is every movie that has a Bluray and DVD copy in the box a box set?


As CharlieM has pointed out: it isn't, per the rules. If you've come across any like this in the Invelos database, they have been set up wrongly and should have been declined.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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Quoting dee1959jay:
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Quoting DieReinkarnation:
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Since when is every movie that has a Bluray and DVD copy in the box a box set?


As CharlieM has pointed out: it isn't, per the rules. If you've come across any like this in the Invelos database, they have been set up wrongly and should have been declined.

Um...that's not what Charlie said.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributordee1959jay
Registered: March 19, 2007
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Please explain.

Here's what I gathered from both the rules and Charlie's post (and agree with):

wrong setup:
Box set profile (parent profile):
- Child profile 1: blu-ray of movie X
- Child profile 2: DVD of movie X

correct setup:
Parent profile: blu-ray of movie X
- optional child profile: DVD of movie X
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantDieReinkarnation
Registered: June 10, 2007
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The way dee1959jay attempted to clarify makes the most sense but is far from the case.  Take the new Aladdin Blu-ray recently released. If you download the child profiles you a child profile for the bluray and a child profile for the dvd.  If you look at the parent profile there no discs listed on the discs tab.  In fact most other section are empty.  There are no Notes or overviews or subtitles not even information about features subtitles and features have since been added).  Those same sections have been filled in on the child profiles though.  I frankly feel lucky the parent entry has the cast listed.

It just seems that many of the people submitting and approving these profiles don't know what a box set its.

My Shrek 3d box set, which is truly a box set containing all 4 movies does not have the first movie as a child profile.  The box is considered the first movie and the other three are child profiles.  There are no other child profiles available.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMithi
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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Take the new Aladdin Blu-ray recently released.

Could be that the initial submitter entered just the core information he had. Feel free to enhance those information, it is a user built database after all.
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If you look at the parent profile there no discs listed on the discs tab.

First submitter has no BD-ROM or DVD-ROM? And wasn't aware that he can enter the Descriptions without Disc-IDs?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMark Harrison
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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A Box Set is when a Box contains more than one movie.


While I personally happen to agree with you on that definition, you should know that DVD Profiler has it's own "language".  This is the place where "box set" doesn't mean "box set".  This is where "title" doesn't always mean "title".  And so on. 

In my opinion, we should use the term "box set" in the traditional sense (as you've defined it).  And I think releases that contain the same item in different formats should be called something else for DVD Profiler purposes.  Some term we invent.  We shouldn't have a term in the rules that has more than one meaning.

My point is, and I've mentioned this elsewhere recently, we end-users have a hard time carrying on an intelligent conversation at times because we've chosen to use ambiguous terms and take existing terms and give them new meaning.  It's difficult having these discussions because some people think a "box set" is one thing and other users think "box set" has a different meaning.  It makes it really difficult to determine at times what the rules are actually telling us.

I think the "rules" need a complete overhaul to remove ambiguity.  Maybe even a glossary.

Getting back to the original problem, downloading the extra profiles should always be optional. Unfortunately, I don't know of an easy solution to your issue.  It seems the method you're using of deleting the profiles you don't want is the best you can do at this point since you either take them all or you take none.  And as has been mentioned, you can adjust the counts so the numbers make sense.

As for "why" we do this?  Some people want to know about those DVDs.  Maybe they're taking a trip and want to know what is available on DVD since the vehicle doesn't play Blu-ray.  Maybe the kids room only have DVD and not Blu-ray, so you might want to just see what's available on DVD.  There are lots of reasons a person might want the Blu-ray and DVD listed.  Perhaps none of those reason apply to your situation.  So you might not want them as part of your collection.  But it's still a useful feature to do things this way in general.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
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Actually per the rules combo sets (same film on multiple formats) are not box sets.... as the box set rules state...

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Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile.


So it is actually more similar to the bonus film rule. These sets should not be done as box sets and should be corrected in the main database.
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