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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'd like to apply a consistent approach to any kind of "Crowd" credits, like a "Crowd Make-up Artist" or a "Crowd Costume Supervisor". Do these qualify for entry in DVD Profiler, or don't they? I found an earlier thread/poll about "Additional Make-up Artists" ( click!), but I didn't find much on these "Crowd" credits. I'll include an example: the newly-released 'The Man From U.N.C.L.E.' Now, I notice that the CLT shows 9 profiles where Chrissie Whitney is included for her "Crowd Makeup & Hair Artist" credit in that film, yet not a single one of those profiles lists Dougie Hawkes for his similar "Crowd Costume Supervisor" credit. I don't get that. I'm willing to go either way, but it's one or the other. If "Crowd Makeup & Hair Artist" is valid, then surely "Crowd Costume Supervisor" is, too. Either we allow the prefix, or we don't. What say you? | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | We include the make-up artist for specific actors, why would we exclude them when it is for a specific group? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
We include the make-up artist for specific actors, why would we exclude them when it is for a specific group? Because the "Crowd" is not a specific group but the rest of the bunch, a very un specific group. Sounds like mass treatment which is - at least for me - not really an artistic work worth mentioning... | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | I seldomly do anything with crew data. Most of it I just don't understand. But in my opinion.... even if it is for a crowd or what have you... if they are credited with a job we track then in my opinion they should be submitted.
Looking at the vote so far don't look like we will get a decision on our own.... as usual. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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We include the make-up artist for specific actors, why would we exclude them when it is for a specific group?
Because the "Crowd" is not a specific group but the rest of the bunch, a very unspecific group. Sounds like mass treatment which is - at least for me - not really an artistic work worth mentioning... I don't get this at all. If someone is credited with just make-up artist, isn't that more unspecified? We credit them , so, color me confused. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | I fully agree with the Martian on this. |
| | Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,539 |
| | Posted: | | | | I may have overlooked the Hawkes one. No issues from me if someone wants to add it. | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Are Crowd credits compareable to Additional credits?
And, even more important, does this imply a mind change on that whole subject - towards listing credits on the base of the job not on the exact lettering of the words in the end credits of the film? | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | No, they are not. "Additional" credits, as you call them, are for additional crew. Crew credits do not depend on who is the object of crew work. | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
And, even more important, does this imply a mind change on that whole subject - towards listing credits on the base of the job not on the exact lettering of the words in the end credits of the film? This is not a 'mind change' on this subject, at least not for me. My stance has always been that specifying the function, of a generic credit, does not invalidate the credit. As an example, Special Effects is a very generic credit. We have no idea what that person does. Robotic Special Effects, is a specific credit. For me, the addition of 'Robotic' doesn't change the fact that it is a special effects credit, so I would enter it without hesitation. I look at Crowd Make-up Artist in the exact same way. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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