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| Registered: October 3, 2008 |  Posts: 260 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have noticed that the bonus special "It's Christmastime Again, Charlie Brown" has been contributed separately using the alternate ID method. If this is the case there are others that have more than one tv special on one disc.. Alvin and Chipmunks, Garfield, etc.. Should this also be contributed the same way? right now they are contributed using episode dividers.. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | It really would depend on the length. TV episodes and shorts do not get their own profile. The only problem is Invelos did not define how short a short must be. Some people are saying 40 minutes... some think more like an hour. There is no agreement here and we remain waiting for a clarification from Invelos. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: October 3, 2008 | | Posts: 260 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think most of the specials ive seen are roughly 30 minutes. I just wasn't sure.. The second Charlie Brown christmas special is 23 minutes long.. and is a bonus special.. I was just wondering because for example The Looney Tunes golden collection also has numerous tv specials.. The classic Bugs Bunny Looney Christmas Tales is on one set.. this has been released in other countries as a stand alone DVD, but is just part of the Golden collection in the States.. Should that have its own contribution? Some of the rules seem vague on topics like this.. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Nope... no shorts or tv episodes gets their own profile per rules. It is one thing if it is released by itself but in a set or as a bonus feature... they do not get their own profile. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: October 3, 2008 | | Posts: 260 |
| | Posted: | | | | so the "It's Christmastime, Charlie Brown" contribution is incorrect? Especially since it's a bonus episode/special.. Can this contribution be removed? I own the Charlie Brown Christmas so it now comes up that this special is a separate entry included with disc.. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sounds like it was put in incorrectly. How long is it? If it is long enough it could qualify as a bonus feature film and use that rule. As for how to have it removed I don't know. But you can always re-update the parent profile to take the linking away. Probably have to leave it to Invelos to have it removed completely.
If it is the one you mention above at 23 minutes it is definitely a short and should be voted down / removed, | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: October 3, 2008 | | Posts: 260 |
| | Posted: | | | | yeah its the 23 minute one.. I hadn't seen a bonus episode contributed separately before so I wasn't sure.. Thanks for your feedback!!  |
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| Registered: October 4, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here is the rule verbatim:
•Alternate versions are not used for contributing profiles for shorts or episode-level profiles for TV series.
It is clearly not a episode level profile for a TV series. In my mind a short is something 10 minutes or so like Pixar does, but as mentioned it has not been defined. However, as this contribution was allowed, then we must assume Invelos is not considering it a short.
Until a short is defined further there should be no changes made as the rules don't support it. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting primetime21: Quote:
In my mind a short is something 10 minutes or so like Pixar does I prefer a definition that isn't based on an individual opinion. The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences does have a definition: "A short film is defined as an original motion picture that has a running time of 40 minutes or less, including all credits." Since many of the invelos terms and rules are based on the Oscars, I have no reason to believe the term 'shorts' would be any different. Quote:
However, as this contribution was allowed, then we must assume Invelos is not considering it a short. Base on past things that the screeners have allowed, I see no reason we must make this assumption. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: October 4, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 330 |
| | Posted: | | | | What you quoted says 'short film.' The Oscars only deal with film. Invelos deals with film and television (both episodic series and TV-movies, specials, etc.), so you can't automatically make the assumption the same definition applies.
Again, until there is a statement by Ken et al, you can't say for sure and thus can't say that something that has been approved it against any contribution rule. |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting brimac5477: Quote:
so the "It's Christmastime, Charlie Brown" contribution is incorrect? Especially since it's a bonus episode/special.. Can this contribution be removed? I own the Charlie Brown Christmas so it now comes up that this special is a separate entry included with disc.. But it is the only BD/DVD that has It's Christmastime Again, Charlie Brown on it. So if I want to buy it, I know what UPC to look for. Nothing else has it per the database R1 profiles. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting primetime21: Quote:
What you quoted says 'short film.' The Oscars only deal with film. Invelos deals with film and television (both episodic series and TV-movies, specials, etc.), so you can't automatically make the assumption the same definition applies. What other definition is there? According to the Google, the word 'short' means a short film as opposed to a feature film. Quote:
Again, until there is a statement by Ken et al, you can't say for sure and thus can't say that something that has been approved it against any contribution rule. I didn't say for sure one way or the other, I simply gave my opinion based on the actual definition of the word 'short'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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