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How do I contribute an alternate version?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMikaLove
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I had a contribution declined and I don't know why.

There's a re-release of the movie Dead Calm, Swedish locality, EAN #7321937118709.

The first one had a snapper case and English language title, and the new one is a keep case and has a Swedish title. So the language on the cover is Swedish.
The disc ID is the same too, except the new disc adds "[DEAD_CALM]" to it. So basically the difference is the packaging, where the two editions have nothing in common.

In my contribution comment, I wrote:
"Re-release of this title, based on the first one with the same EAN and locality. This new edition has a keep case, different overview and covers, and also the disc ID differs.
All data is from disc and credits and some are from the first edition."
(I was wrong in the comment about the disc ID being different, however)

What am I doing wrong?
I thought this was a clear case when an alternate version was OK to create?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorgreyghost
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMikaLove
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Anyone?
I'm sure there is at least someone here who knows how to contribute alternate versions.

I need help with wording the contribution comment, or guidance if there's some other issue here.
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I'd re-submit it, by the sounds of it I've contributed a vast number of profiles like you've described.

My only thought is that you went and created an alternative profile with the same UPC?  You haven't tried to overwrite the original UPC Profile? Make sure that is done, by selecting under the DVD Menu 'Change UPC / Locality' and make sure you select a new Alternate.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMikaLove
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I'll re-submit. I thought of that already, but I still need help with the wording. What's the "best" to write in general for such profiles? I've seen some before but I don't remember what the comments said.
Yes. That's how I did it. And that's why I was so surprised to see it declined.
The only thing I didn't do was to also submit scans for it. But that shouldn't matter.
Maybe there was some technical error with the contribution, or the screeners messed up.
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I would think it would matter that you didn't submit the cover scans.

If that's the main reason for the alternate ID contribution (and a substantially different cover is grounds to submit an alternate ID and I would think a change in language would be considered substantially different) then the screeners would need to see the difference between the original cover and this alternate ID cover. That may have been the reason for the contribution being declined. I've found that simply a difference between a snapper and a keep case isn't enough to justify an alternate ID submission, so they'd probably need to actually see the new covers being submitted.

As for the wording... I've never said anything fancy.

"Alternate Disc ID being submitted, due to a change in covers. Also a change in ......."

And that's about it really.
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Covers (not my scans.)



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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMikaLove
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Quoting Merrik:
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I would think it would matter that you didn't submit the cover scans.

If that's the main reason for the alternate ID contribution (and a substantially different cover is grounds to submit an alternate ID and I would think a change in language would be considered substantially different) then the screeners would need to see the difference between the original cover and this alternate ID cover. That may have been the reason for the contribution being declined. I've found that simply a difference between a snapper and a keep case isn't enough to justify an alternate ID submission, so they'd probably need to actually see the new covers being submitted.

As for the wording... I've never said anything fancy.

"Alternate Disc ID being submitted, due to a change in covers. Also a change in ......."

And that's about it really.

Hmm. Personally I do think there's a point with adding alternate versions of a profile if a snapper edition gets a keep case release. I mean, that's stuff from the past anyway, since Warner stopped doing that so many years ago. So it's not something that would clog up the database.
I also think it should be OK to create alternate versions for movies which once had slip covers but have now lost them.
I mean, personally I own quite a few movies which used to have slip covers, but the scans are inferior, but I can't submit new ones for my editions, since mine never came with a slip cover. What is decided about that?

Well, thanks to iPatsa I will now re-contribute this and see what happens. I also checked the new profile and it says "#1" after the EAN, so it should be correct.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMerrik
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Quoting MikaLove:
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Quoting Merrik:
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I would think it would matter that you didn't submit the cover scans.

If that's the main reason for the alternate ID contribution (and a substantially different cover is grounds to submit an alternate ID and I would think a change in language would be considered substantially different) then the screeners would need to see the difference between the original cover and this alternate ID cover. That may have been the reason for the contribution being declined. I've found that simply a difference between a snapper and a keep case isn't enough to justify an alternate ID submission, so they'd probably need to actually see the new covers being submitted.

As for the wording... I've never said anything fancy.

"Alternate Disc ID being submitted, due to a change in covers. Also a change in ......."

And that's about it really.

Hmm. Personally I do think there's a point with adding alternate versions of a profile if a snapper edition gets a keep case release. I mean, that's stuff from the past anyway, since Warner stopped doing that so many years ago. So it's not something that would clog up the database.



And I would agree actually. I suppose I should have mentioned that what I meant by I've found that the difference between a snapper and a keep isn't enough to warrant an Alternate Disc ID doesn't come from my own personal point of view, but from the declined contributions I've seen.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMikaLove
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Yes, Merrik. I understood that you meant that! 
Do repeated attempts get such contributions through?
It's also quite annoying to have a contribution declined, but no notes as to why. How would you then know what was wrong with the contribution...

I think the Alternate version feature is one of the best changes for a long time, so why not put it to great use.
If you were worried about the database getting too large to handle, then one could maybe understand that not all contributions would make it past the screeners.
I have made it clear before, I'm all about consistency and logic, and to me it's perfectly logic to contribute and allow alternate versions for any different kind of release of a movie, as long as the criteria apply.

One thing that is open for different interpretation is, quoted from the rules, "largely different cover images".
And there were some covers to demonstrate this, even by Ken.
However I totally disagree that the covers have to be *that* different.
And if the decision is based on that, how different the covers between the releases are, then that's IMO totally silly and counterproductive. Also I don't think the screeners should have that power, to dictate how much a cover has to differ to let it through.
If the difference is clearly notable, I think that should suffice. Otherwise it's like trolling the users, by declining loads of contributions when they though they were doing something right.
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The initial contribution for this didn't include images, which is likely why it was declined.  The new one does include images, so I expect there won't be an issue.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMikaLove
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OK, Ken. And thanks for tending to me personally.
However the first time I contributed this profile, I didn't have the scans. (I haven't unpacked my new scanner yet...  )

Anyway, I'm relieved, because...:

"Alternate version created because a change of packaging. The original (identical disc, same EAN and locality) had a snapper case with English language print on the cover, but this new one is a keep case with all Swedish language on the cover.
All data from disc and cover, but Cast and Crew is copied from previously approved US disc with UPC #883929064397.

Profile Contribution Approved 2016-04-10 21:31:14

Image Contribution Approved 2016-04-10 21:31:14
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